Short answer: One year and 10 days.
Bible Reference: Genesis 7 & 8
The Bible says that Noah was 600 years old when the flood waters came upon the earth. God commanded Noah to bring his family and all the animals aboard the Ark and seven days later, it began to rain and God shut the door to the Ark. The Bible says that it all began “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” [Genesis 7:11]
It then began to rain for 40 days and nights. As the waters rose, the Ark was borne upon the waters with it. The waters covered all of the mountains by a depth of 15 cubits [about 22 feet 6 inches; the Ark itself was 30 cubits high, or 45 feet tall.]
After it rained that 40 days and nights, the waters prevailed on the earth for another 150 days [5 months] and everything that wasn’t aboard the Ark died. God made a might wind to pass over the earth and the waters began to recede. In fact, the Bible says that at the end of the 150 days of nothing but water, the Ark grounded itself on Mount Ararat. It was the 17th day of the 7th month of that year.
The waters continued to recede for a little over 2 months more, until on the 1st day of the 10th month, the tops of the mountains were exposed.
40 days after the tops of the mountains were seen, Noah sent forth a raven and a dove to see if the flood waters were abated. The dove returned to him, unable to find land, so he waited a week and sent it out again. This time, it came back with an olive leaf in its mouth. He waited yet one more week and sent it out one last time, but it did not return.
In the 601st year, 1st month and 1st day [on Noah’s birthday in other words], he looked and saw that the “face of the ground” was dry. But apparently not yet firm. On the 2nd month and 27th day, the ground was dry and God commanded Noah and those aboard the Ark to leave it.
So if we calculate the time that passed between the point where God shut the door of the Ark until God commanded them to leave it:
Year 601 Month 2 Day 27 [End date]
– Year 600 Month 2 Day 17 [Begin Date]
= 1 Year 0 Months 10 Days
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Wow thnx
The 7 days that God waited after Noah initially entered the ark often gets lost in calculation
Gen. 7:4 Noah’s age when they entered the ark – 600 yrs / second month / 10th day
Gen. 7:11 Noah’s age when flood started – 600 yrs / second month / 17th day
Gen. 8:14 Noah’s age when they exited the ark – 601 yrs / second month / 27th day
Total time on the Ark with the animals and his family would be 1 yr & 17 days
Total time from the time the flood started to the time they exited would 1 yr & 10 days
Good point. I think most folks simply reckon the time spent aboard in relation to water.
-Tony
Hello I need to know the date the flood ended for a school project. I was wondering if y’all could help. Please help me I need the answer by 02.05.13 my e-mail is asuperday@yahoo.com. This is Alexandria
Alexandria Day,
There are two possible ways to calculate a date for the Flood. David Wright subtracts the accumulated dates of the Genesis genealogies [1656 years from Adam to the Flood] from the calculated date of creation [using Ussher’s calculated date of 4004 BC] to get the year 2348 BC. On the other hand, John Ashton and David Down calculate the date from the present using a revised Egyptian chronology which adjusts Manatheo’s inflated dates with Biblical and archaeological data, resulting in 2302 BC for the year of the Flood [Arphaxad being born to Shem 2 years later in 2300].
More information is available on the latter method in Unwrapping the Pharaohs by John Ashton and David Down
[see especially Chapter 28 and chart following]. More details concerning the former top-down approach is available at http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2012/03/09/feedback-timeline-for-the-flood
Hope that helps.
yeah, it was about 2.5 billion years ago when the water, that was deposited 3.8 billion years ago by a barrage of comets, began to dissipate. I can’t give you an exact date because there were no living creatures on the planet at that time.
So you’ve given us an all-natural answer which may or may not be true (you’d need a time machine to really verify that belief), and is certainly false if the supernatural was involved. Of course, science chained to pure naturalism is blind; it can’t tell you if a supernatural answer should be correct instead because it can’t consider the supernatural at all. If the supernatural was involved, the assumption of pure naturalism will actually lead you to answrs that are wrong albeit consistent with naturalism. So you’d be wrong and you’d never know it. Meanwhile the revelation of the Bible is authenticated by fulfilled prophecy and the Resurrection of Christ, letting me know that the supernatural does exist (making pure naturalism invalid) and letting me know if can trust it as authoritative.
Wow! Lol, 2.5 billion years ago huh? Isn’t it amazing that we live in a world with over a billion species of animal, plant, ocean and human life from a dead planet? And wow, look at all the incredible, beautiful creatures and well.. Everything! We’re the luckiest planet in all existence! Yeah, I’m being sarcastic! You people sincerely disappoint me and God! He gave us everything and wants to give us eternal life in paradise with no more pain, crying, suffering of any kind and death! I pray for you all that are lost, really, I pray your eyes get open one day before it’s too late… God bless!
That was a real cute comment. Are we to believe that pond scum is our creator? Well I’ll be a monkeys uncle! Oh, we finished the tower of Babel alright and bridged the language barrier. I suppose the Almighty seen this coming, and perhaps He/she/it just wanted to slow us down a little bit, just so we humans don’t get ahead of the scheduled judgement day, or the day of Atonement. The Earth is the Lords, and if the meek are going to inherit it then I suppose we better learn how to like each other now. I can imagine comets delivering water, but from where? There is great design in all of us, even our relatives the monkeys, buffalo, cats and dogs. If all you can do in this lifetime be kind to all things, except flies! I hate them, but they too have there purpose in this life cycle. Just think of the untold deaths that flies have bought to humanity that have gone unbeknownst to us. Or the untimely death of a person driving their vehicle at 70 mph, with an injured bee crawling up their leg. It’s happened. I will leave you with a final note “Never sweat the petty things but always pet the sweaty things”
God told Noah to build the ark when he was 500 years old He was 600 years old when he finish it andthe rest is history the rain came for forty days and forty nights so 99years to built 1year and2 mounts Noah was 601years old
maybe Noah already build the the ark and wating for a year or even a decade or more before the flood came.
hello i go to sunday school i am ten i was wondering u can help me find out the answer for this quetion. what feet was the water. and how many months are in 150 days thank u
Marcia,
There are 5 months in 150 days.
The water rose to a height of 15 cubits [20-23 feet, depending upon whether you calculate with a short or a long cubit] above the mountains [Genesis 7:20]. Keep in mind that most creationist geologists consider Psalm 104:6-9 to be a description of the Flood. Psalm 104:8 declares, “The mountains rose; the valleys sank down To the place which You established for them,” so Flood geologists believe that the mountains we see today are probably higher than the mountains of Noah’s day and that major geological changes took place beneath the flooded world. Because of this disparity between the pre- and post-Flood mountains, we have no way of determining a fixed depth for the Flood, but again we know the relative depth: it covered the mountains by at least 20 feet [which Noah probably determined by noting the Ark’s draught line, or [in simpler terms] how much of the Ark was beneath the water when it floated.]
Hope that helps. Good question. I may give this one its own article someday ;]
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So, Noah received all of the 8.74 billion species of plants and animals extant today, plus all those extinct(between 1 and 4 billion), into the ark. As well as enough food for all of them for the year, 2 months, and 10 days, while they were all in the ark. How long would that have taken? And then after the great flood, the 10 to 12 billion species would have been dispersed again over the entire earth. How long would that have taken? What about the fresh-water fish in the mixed ocean and fresh water flood waters? And the ocean fish and other creatures in that mix? It would have killed them. Unless…. Something else happened before, during, or after the flood to ameliorate those issues. Unless… the biblical account is not meant to be read as history but as myth.
Steve,
A Biblical kind is not analogous to a species. This is a common mistake that ill-informed evolutionists make. I really wish evolutionists would bother to learn what creationists believe before they bother to object to it. It would make unthatching straw men like this completely unnecessary. More here: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/how-many-animals-were-on-board-the-ark/
As for you objection about freshwater fish… https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/how-did-freshwater-fish-survive-the-flood/
Who cares what you “believe”, we evolutionists deal in facts, not imaginary friends and childish fairy tales.
And yet all-natural science must appeal to the supernatural when it claims things happened by processes we do not see in observation today, like everything coming from nothing (or else unprovable comic book multivetses), order coming from chaos, life coming from non-life, and amphibians transforming into humans of noble lineage… if we just give it enough time.
Of course, if you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have left a comment
May i know how it is possible?
On bases which calander you are talking?
I see. Again it is based on a 30 day calendar derived from relative dates in the text
Yes Tony, and not only what creationists believe but also what the bible says.
Perhaps your myth speculation might cause you to be overlooked and be mythed out of the book of life !
Not to mention,all species today would not have been on the ark, but only the original kind. For example it has been proven with DNA that all dog species today, come from a single population of wolves, which were the family of 12 wolves on the ark, if they were reckoned as clean animals.
So good
hmm I’m glad to see that you have come around to endorse the obvious, well documented, and completely demonstrable fact of the evolution of species. Even if you don’t want to call it that.
I think you’ve missed the point precisely because evolutionists aren’t always honest about the distinction between observable micro-evolution [speciation, adaptation, mutation, natural selection, etc.] and proposed but unobservable macro-evolution [eg., microbes-to-man evolution]. Theodosius Dobzhansky proposed that evos equate the two terms back when he and others proposed the Neo-Darwin synthesis. Creationists affirm the observable science.
Well we could go on and on about this but I am, honestly, gratified to read that you accept the evolution of species. Now all you need is time. A lot of time. And everything else will fall into place.
Yeah. Time is not the hero of the plot. Macro-evolution is speculation based on an all-natural just-so story. You seem to confuse inference with fact. I rejected pure naturalism precisely because it is self-defeating. Those who affirm pure naturalism [anti-supernaturalism] must also inconsistently affirm that nature can do supernatural things: that everything can come from nothing [or unobservable, unprovable comic book multiverses when the observable sample size of universes is just ONE], that life can come from non-life [when no one has ever observed that] and that a frog can really become a prince if only we give it… a lot of time. At least my worldview is consistent. But I do admire your credulity.
Thanks, and the same. Both our worldviews require believing in something that we have no observable basis to believe. I think that my worldview is more intellectually honest because I say, yeah you’re right, we really don’t know where matter came from originally. We really don’t know how life began. We have theories and some people may doggedly tout their theories as absolute fact but most, including myself,admit that we haven’t got it figured all out. We’re working on it. The Bible-literalist is forced to say, “I know” absolutely based on the Bible text as he or she rigidly interprets it. That requires extreme credulity.
Extreme credulity? This from the guy who gave us the kinds=species straw man oft-repeated by evolutionists at the outset of his comments. I was completely convinced of your all-natural just-so story at one point; have you ever seriously investigated creationism beyond regurgitated misconceptions? Who exactly is credulous here?
And what can we say of a worldview that requires one to say “We don’t know and may never know but the answer MUST be purely natural because our methodology will only consider all-natural answers”? Science chained to pure naturalism can only give us all-natural answers that may or may not be true and are most certainly false where supernatural agency was involved; unfortunately, science chained to naturalism would never be able to detect when it was wrong and would actually make up false but wholly natural answers to fill in the spaces that should have been explained by supernatural agency.
Now as an FYI, creationism is a framework just as evolution is a framework. We change our theories within the framework just as you do, even if we do not give up the core tenets of the framework. You are just as rigid about your scientific framework as we are. If you knew more about what you so vigorously objected to, if you knew more about this creationism you find so wrong [rather than simply accepting evolution with credulity; sorry, had to be said], you’d know this.
Well one thing I don’t claim to know is who you are and your scope of knowledge/background, as you claim to know about me. You don’t know me but think you do. I think that is a replication of theism, thinking that you know someone who you don’t really know. “Have I actually investigated creationism..?” I have been all my life steeped in it. And in my defense to your argument that I don’t really know creationism, I would add that it is kind of hard to nail down since there are so many different views w/in Christianity and even w/in the creationist camp.
Recently I’ve been approaching the Bible with a more open mind, with a willingness to ask questions that I felt I was not allowed to ask before, and therefore am more open to more possibilities than rigid literalism. That was the point of my first post: that it could be that the Bible, especially things like the flood account, was never meant to be taken as literal history. It was not written as such and was never understood that way by it’s audience until in the last couple of hundred years when a new framework was imposed on the Bible, one rising from the Enlightenment, that felt like it had to have a hermetically tight literal, infallible, intellectually plausible interpretation of the whole Bible. Anyway, that’s a whole chunk to bite off and chew!
Now as to your point of comparing worldviews again: sure, many people have absolutely written off theistic/supernatural options, but did you read me doing that? I am only questioning your absolutism basing everything on ancient texts and using the aforementioned matrix. In other words, you are doing the same exact thing you claim that I’m doing: holding doggedly to one presupposition. Which I am not. I am open to possibilities. You are totally denying the possibility of naturalistic answers for what you read as supernatural agency, which is the inverse error of which you accuse me(denying the possibility of supernatural agency, which by the way I don’t). Wow. That was a lot to get in here! I have found this interesting, and even revealing regarding your acceptance of naturalistic evolution since that is one area that most creationists have seemed to avoid in my experience. But I get the feeling that our differing worldviews will not be reconciled. So I would like to get back to my original post again: to clarify your answer: God brought “kinds” of animals to the ark, not all the existing species. Then after the flood, those “kinds” went out and speciated in a rapid form of micro-evolution. OK. I don’t think that is what happened since I don’t think that the text was written to mean that, neither do I think that it adequately explains the current diversity and distribution of species in the world, given the time frame you seemed to indicate. But if that’s your story, and your sticking with it, we really don’t have anywhere else to go! I should have known that before posting… but it has been interesting. Signing off.
I do hope that you haven’t opened your mind to accepting error. I understand where you’re coming from but beware of tossing out the baby with the bathwater. Peace, Tony
I read you loud and clear, Tony, and appreciate the counsel. Peace to you too.
I enjoyed this back and forths between you guys.
One common mistake people make is that they try to ‘limit’ the ability of God, or at least in their understanding. Listen Jesus says “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God” Matthew 22:29, Mark 12:24.
Indulge me as I share these two scriptures with you.
1. In First Peter 3:20, the Apostle Peter Collaborates the account of the flood
2. Listen to Jesus “People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.” Luke 17:27
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hand of the Almighty God. I beg you to be reconciled with God. God was looking for an excuse to save us (Romans 5: 8 – But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.), we should never scorn the opportunity. Please my friends, be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:20).
How do you read John 5:17? Jesus says “…My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” God can do anything. I know that God made the whole world in 6 days, but I know that He did not physically build the house I live in (though it is now part of the world). I know that God made me, but He chose my parents to bring me into the world through them. Yet, I believe in the 6 day blue-print, my place on earth was clearly marked out.
If anyone wants to know the ways of God, they have to follow the principles of God. You cannot receive a satellite TV with your FM radio. You need a satellite dish and a satellite receiver to do so. If you try with your old short wave radio and is unsuccessful, it does not mean that there is no satellite TV. You just don’t have the right tools. Faith is the right tool to receive from the Supernatural.
A dear friend of mine (Daniel) read the bible and believed that what Jesus says concerning him in the bible is true (Mark 16:16-18, Luke 1:37). A 9-year old boy who never walked in his life was brought to him. He spoke the word in the name of Jesus and the little boy stood up, leaped and started walking for the first time in his 9 years.
This is the way to proof the word of God. If He said it and confirms it, what else do you want? Would you rather believe that ‘someone seeded’ life on earth? That requires a lot of faith though. But if you want to believe that, who and where is that ‘someone’ and why would anyone want to seed life on earth unless they have a plan? And who ‘seeded life’ to that someone, unless at the end of the chain there is ‘Someone’ Supernatural whose life is in Himself (eternal/everlasting)?!
Anyone who does not believe in God always ends up believing in something fair too inferior. I think you are too smart for that.
Give your life to Jesus today. He was looking for an excuse to save me and you. He gave us Jesus so that if we believe, He will save us. I believe, would you consider him today?
Say this “Lord Jesus, I want to believe, show me Your way by Yourself. Make yourself real to me. Amen.”
If you said this simple but power prayer by faith, secretly, watch what happens openly. You are on your way to heaven. But if you did not, I still hope you will someday…I hope to see you in heaven.
If and when you get to heaven, please ask of the guy who wrote this response…I’ll like to catch up with you. God bless you real good.
Well said my friend and brother in Christ.
Most enjoyable reading of you guys conversation. Im All for the BIBLE!!! Thanks Guys, its been on my mind, and NO I have not yet seen the new movie…..
this is fake, in the bible and what i learnt at school says that the storm/flood only lasted 40 days. the 41st day was when God made the land dry again and everyone was safe including the animals. where did you get this information and why did you say it because it is FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet I’m quoting the Bible you claim you were taught from to demonstrate that the flood lasted longer… Think about it.
What bible did you read Tifina? Whether Catholic or prodestant, they both say the same thing that Tony claims. He is correct in what the bible says. However, I do not believe the
mythology of the bible. It is just a story, fiction. Anything pertaining to the supernatural can not be proven, and so is considered to be a fairy tale. Noah and the Ark, the creation, these stories were plagerized from the ancient stories of Gilgamesh the hero and 5th king of Urec (modern day Iraq). They were written as fiction, and that is what they still are, no matter what book they appear in.Consider this: science can prove all most all of its claims. If this were not so, we would not have been able to go into space and even the moon.
All the advances in medicine astonomy our health and longevity we owe to science, not the bible or its god.The stupidity and close mindedness demonstrated by most christians never ceases to amaze me. They talk of macro and micro evotion as if they are seperate from each other. Fools. There is either evolution or there is not evolution. The one who denies evolution and accepts the creation nonsense to me, is the real fool and they will never know the truth because they dont want to hear it. They cant handle the truth. They would rather masturbate thier minds with the emotional bullshit of the bible, and it’s religion. Nothing supernatural in the bible can be proven. Not the creation account, or the story of Noah, Goliath, Samson or any of the rest of these ventures into fantacy. Belief in any god is based on faith and faith ALONE. Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of faith.The bible has been responsible for more hatred, murder, and evil perpetrated on the human race than any other cause. The day we humans can kick all gods and religion out of our lives and business the better off we will be .
Because you’re obviously a much more moral and tolerant person than a religious person… Your rant certainly gives one that impression.
Sarcasm aside, it is true that Christians cause harm because they do not always conform their lives to the Bible’s teachings. Yet all of the runny-middled, burnt-edged, eggshell-ridden omelettes in the world do not invalidate the recipe for the perfect omelet. They just demonstrate why it’s so important to follow the directions given in the Cookbook.
The distinction between micro and macroevolution is real. Theodosius Dobzansky noted that equating the two was an assumption: https://www.google.com/amp/s/siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/deflating-dobzhanskys-grand-assumption-or-why-microevolution-does-not-lead-to-macroevolution/amp/.
Many of the disciplines and disciveties of science were founded by Bible-believing Christians who were trying to “think God’s thoughts after Him.” https://kcsg.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/more-on-why-creation-is-foundational-to-science-not-evolution/
The Gilgamesh Epic was written down first but the Biblical account is more realistic and, given that fantastical legendary elements (like cube-shaped Arks that are faithful to Sumerian religious sensibilities of perfection but not exactly realistic for the folks who would end up being tossed about and killed inside at the first few waves) tend to creep in later, the oral tradition the Bible account was faithfully rendered from is likely the source from which the Gilgamesh Epic was corrupted.
Another reason to trust the Bible as history and true record is because it is the only authority to be supernaturally authenticated by fulfilled prophecy and the Resurrection of Christ.
I’m still confused. It rained for 40 days and nights and the Ark was floating for one year and ten days? How long was the entire Earth completely covered with water… not an inch of land above water? Was it the entire planet that was covered or just a localized flood?
The Flood was planetary. It’s source was 40 days of rain and underground water reservoirs. It lasted a year and ten days, though the waters began receding at about the midpoint, which is also about the time the Ark grounded itself on the still submerged Ararat Mountains. The tops of mountains emerged from the waters about 2 months before it’s end.
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True those are the exect days Noah and crew were in the Ark
*Genesis 1:31 – “…and God saw everything…And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.” Genesis 7:12 – “And it rained upon the earth forty days and forty nights.” **My question is: By what “calendar” were these “biblical days and nights” defined? *Were these days in Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 7:12 (24)-hours long as we, now, calculate by the calendar of today – which I think is the Julienne calendar?
If either the nights were much longer than they are today, life would have ceased to exist. Plants need that sunlight. We have no reason to presume the days of Genesis were any different than we reckon a day now.
I Believe That The Flood Lasted About Forty Days And Forty Nights Until The Water Covered The Whole Earth And It Takes Many Days Until The Flood Finally Receded From The Earth!
The flood started on the 27th day of the second month and ended on the 17th day on the second month so. Genesis 8:13,14. the flood lasted just over a year.
Steve B. said: “hmm I’m glad to see that you have come around to endorse the obvious, well documented, and completely demonstrable fact of the evolution of species.”
But just one day later he thinks this: “Both our worldviews require believing in something that we have no observable basis to believe.”
How can anything be “completely demonstratable; well documented” without having any “observable basis to believe”?
Are these the Evolutionists, who want to tell the world what happened Millions of years ago, while they appearantly can’t remember what they
said just yesterday?
Well H., read carefully and use your evolution-given brain: that one’s worldview requires believing something that we have no observable basis does not mean that EVERYTHING one holds as true is based on subjective belief. Facts, like evolution, does not require belief, since it is obvious, well-documented, and demonstrable.
So you’ve seen everything come from nothing [or comic book multiverses]? You’ve seen life emerge from non-life? You’ve seen one kind of creature become an entirely different type of creature [not merely a moth becoming a different species of moth]? I think you require more faith than your credulity has let you realize!
Tony: I could try to explain evolutionary biology to you, but plenty has been written and proven through everything from fossils to DNA to the distribution of species throughout the globe. And more. I am heartened that you seem to be willing to accept a moth “merely” becoming a different species of moth. That is biological evolution, right there. All you need to catch on to big picture(macro) is, more time!
Actually, there is a reason I draw a sharp line between them. See this article for more on one of my other sites: https://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/deflating-dobzhanskys-grand-assumption-or-why-microevolution-does-not-lead-to-macroevolution/. I also elaborate on why this distinction is valid and why microevolution does NOT lead to macroevolution in my new book, Defending Genesis: How We Got Here & Why It Matters: http://www.amazon.com/Defending-Genesis-How-Here-Matters/dp/1507616473/
Steve B: Your reply is a case-study and exemplary for Evolutionary-Theorists like you, who try to replace a lack of knowledge and logic with a dismissive attitude. Fail. Go back and start at the basics. You wrote: “does not mean that EVERYTHING one holds as true is based on subjective belief.” but then claimed your system of belief would be: “completely demonstratable”!
“Completely” but “not Everything”?? Which way would you like to present your ideas: as “completely demonstratable”, or maybe just as “not quite observable” and hence “requiring belief”?
Your patronising “read carefully” and “use your brain” is just involuntarily comical in the context, and demonstrates your helplessness.
PS.: You have not answered my question: “How can anything be “completely demonstratable” without any “observable basis to believe”? Maybe thats too difficult for you, so in simple terms: How can you demonstrate and document a proven fact of something which is not observable or repeatable?
Well, to cut through your making an alphabet soup out of my words, it is simple enough to explain that evolution IS observable, scientifically.
The only part of biology that is observable is the part that both creationists and evolutionists agree on. Common descent [molecules-to-man] evolution is an assumption based on the premise of pure naturalism
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I am struggling with a couple of things. If god made the animals, why did Noah need to save them? 2) if god knows all, then he rightfully made the serpent knowing Adam and Eve would sin?
1. Adam was given dominion over all creation. When He fell, his kingdom fell with him. When God decided to destroy the Earth for man’s sin, he could have decided to simply destroy everything. He didn’t, meaning the Dominion mandate was still in effect, making it man’s responsibility to care for the animals. Thus, God tasked Noah with saving the animals aboard the Ark.
2. Free will involves real choice. Foreknowledge of an event isn’t the same thing as causing something to happen. If Adam & Eve were prevented by God from making the bad choice they made based on His foreknowledge, free will would not truly exist. God knew that their very real choice would end badly so He made provision for their salvation from the foundation of the world.
if Noah build the ark for such long time of period, which kind of wood did he use and which last for that 100years+?
how was it posible for the animals to stay for that long with out getting their different types of food?
We do not believe that the Ark’s construction took quite that long. Rather, God told Noah that he would send the Flood 120 after He gave His first warning, but the actual construction could have taken place over a much shorter period of time. See the following post on this same site for more on that subject: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/before-the-flood/how-long-did-it-take-noah-to-build-the-ark/
We also should mention that the Ark was built with gofer, commonly translated as “gopher wood.” The word is obcure and even Hebrew experts aren’t entirely sure what this uncommon word precisely means. The most likely meanings are an actual wood type [and if so, a wood type now unknown] or a lamination process. In any case, the wood was protected by a covering of pitch [Genesis 6:14].
As for feeding the animals, see the following page on this site: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/feeding-the-animals/
I believe when the flood ended Noah was 601 years and 6 days old, so the flood lasted one year. Somewhere around that time table. Of course, they calculated “time” differently back then, they actually counted backwards, in BCE … and then became Common or Christine Era counting time AD 1,2,3,4. etc. Oh, and GOD gave Noah, GOPHER Wood. Cast the animals into a deep slumber, where they probably rose every once in a while to eat – GOD forBode, pro-creation during this time of flood, even for Noah and His Wife …. so they would not run out of food by “multiplying”
Creationists claim that evolution is completely false, and yet here they support the story with theory of evolution, Also Mary, people would not have counted backwards, they don’t no that at some point in future where year will be counted forward so we should count backward. Also if flood waters covered the earth for nearly a year, how did all the plants and trees survived, how much of food stock did Noah had on the ark.
I think you’re confused. Creationists reject the Grand Theory of Evolution because it’s rooted in pure naturalism. We reject the claims of microbes-to-man evolution because they aren’t observable, testable, repeatable or falsifiable and they contradict the supernatural revelation of the Bible. On the other hand, creationists affirm speciation, adaptation and other changes within a created kind because they are observable. See the following article on our site for more: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/how-many-animals-were-on-board-the-ark/
If Noah took the various clean and unclean animals onto the Ark and they floated around for over a year… what happened to all the plants that were submerged under salt water for a year? The Bible seems to suggest that when the water subsided the flora was unaffected, but it would take at least a year for the first crop to grow and it still doesn’t explain where the seeds would have come from. Trees would take years to grow before they could provide fruit and nuts. There is no explanation as to where the root stock or seeds would come from as the earth had been flooded for a year, permanently killing-off all of the flora Noah’s fauna would need to survive. Seems rather cruel to save the animals two-by-two (or more) just to watch them starve to death when the waters receded. It seems a localized flood is far more likely.
There are some viable answers to your objections found here: https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/how-did-plants-survive-the-flood/
Wow. Your criteria is “observable, testable, repeatable or falsifiable(?)”. So have you got that all lined up for your “7 – 24-hr – day creation”? And if you affirm “speciation, adaptation, and other changes” all you need is more time!
Are you misunderstanding me on purpose?
No, I understand that you are very selective on applying your scientific criteria.
Read it again. There was a conjunction you missed.
Why did it take God 40 days to cover the earth in water? If God created everything in seven days, He could have flooded it much faster. Why 40 days?
The Bible doesn’t say it took 40 days to cover the earth; it says it rained for that period AND that the fountains of the deep were opened up. The flood kept rising for some time, as I noted in the article you just commented on.
As to why God took his time when He could’ve went faster, I would ask you to keep in mind that just because God can do anything that is consistent with His revealed nature doesn’t mean He has to. Nowhere is maximum efficiency demanded by omnipotence. In fact, we see in the Creation Week that God sits back [so to speak] at the end of each day to appreciate His handiwork as any creator or craftsman would.
Of course, the reason it took so long is because God apparently opted to use natural processes [He’s allowed] which necessarily take longer than the standard miracle. If you want to know why He used natural processes for the Flood rather than supernatural means… It isn’t recorded in the Bible, but I intended to ask Him on the other side ;]
If he used “natural forces”… what are the mythical Fountains of the Deep?
Why do you presume they were mythical. The theory of catastrophic Plate tectonics offers one non-mythical identification of the fountains of the great deep.
From Answers in Genesis [“A Catastrophic Breakup”]:
“The catastrophic plate tectonics model of Austin et al. described in this article begins with a pre-Flood supercontinent surrounded by cold ocean-floor rocks that were denser (heavier) per unit volume than the warm mantle rock beneath.7 To initiate motion, this model requires a sudden trigger large enough to “crack” the ocean floor adjacent to the supercontinent, so that zones of cold, heavy ocean-floor rock start sinking into the upper mantle.
In this model (Figures 3 and 4), as the ocean floor (in the areas of the ocean trenches) sinks into the mantle, it drags the rest of the ocean floor with it, in a conveyor-belt-like fashion. The sinking slabs of cold ocean floor produce stress in the surrounding hot mantle rock. These stresses, in turn, cause the rock to become hotter and more deformable, allowing ocean slabs to sink even faster. The ultimate result is a runaway process that causes the entire pre-Flood ocean floor to sink to the bottom of the mantle in a matter of a few weeks. As the slabs sink (at rates of feet-per-second) down to the mantle/core boundary, enormous amounts of energy are released.8
The rapidly sinking ocean-floor slabs cause large-scale convection currents, producing a circular flow throughout the mantle. The hot mantle rock displaced by these subducting slabs wells up to the mid-ocean rift zones where it melts and forms new ocean floor. Here, the liquid rock vaporizes huge volumes of ocean water to produce a linear curtain of supersonic steam jets along the entire 43,500 mi (70,000 km) of the seafloor rift zones. Perhaps this is what is meant by the “fountains of the great deep” in Genesis 7:11. These supersonic steam jets capture large amounts of water as they “shoot” up through the ocean into the atmosphere. Water is catapulted high above the earth and then falls back to the surface as intense global rain, which is perhaps the source for the “floodgates of heaven” in Genesis 7:11.”
-Hope that helps.
According to The Bible Noah’s Ark survived flooding… what you described would create steam, not water and when that steam condensed you would have exactly the same amount of water as you started with NOT more water. Furthermore, all of your talk of sinking ocean floors would create the opposite of rising water.
I never said the Flood created more water. Creationists believe that there is probably exactly the same amount fo water on the Earth now as there was prior to the Flood: Where Did the Flood Waters Go?
I personally think God used the natural processes to create the atmospheric condition we know today… there is a pointed verse which says rain did not occur before the flood. I think it’s cool to think of the atmosphere cells creating as God enacts the future of his creation… also like to think of evolution as God loving and providing for His creation… any who, nice article 🙂 And thanks for taking the time to answer us all back 🙂
There’s actually no verse that says it never rained before the flood.
Thank you.
awesome thanks for the help guys.
It’s all far fetched and if he built a boat however many cubits long how did he all the billions of beasts on it.
He didn’t require billions of beasts: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/how-many-animals-were-on-board-the-ark/
And if you’re truly interested, here’s how big the Ark was: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-ark/how-big-was-the-ark/
Thank you! Great information!
How did water start to decrease? The Earth was completely surrounded with water. That means, the underground water holding capacity of earth was filled completely, that it cannot hold anymore water. That’s why water started to rise and came up to the surface.
If the answer is evaporation, then how coud such a huge crore tonnes of litre of water csn be taken by the Sun.
This question has benn answered in another post on this site: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/where-did-the-flood-waters-go/
So in order for your version to work, reality must be altered to satisfy your conditions. The earth must have been flatter and the oceans must have been shallower? The Pacific Ocean sank 36,000+ feet, the Himalayas popped-up 29,000+ feet, the continents drifted thousands of miles apart and this has all occurred in the last 4000 years? If you have to alter reality or introduce the supernatural to make your theory work, it’s probably not what really happened.
While creationists believe that these geographical changes occurred during the year long Flood, it says much about your own presumptions that the supernatural must be ruled out a priori. All that science chained to pure naturalism can do is give us all-natural answers that may or may not be true, and are certainly false where the supernatural was involved. Your assumption that the natural answer must be correct ignores the fact that naturalism is self-refuting in that it must affirm that nature can do supernatural things that we’ve never observed in nature [e.g, everything can come from nothing, life can come from non-life, a frog can really become a prince after all if we just give it enough time and drift. etc.].
A tricky bit of circular logic. Science is not chained to nature, science is the pursuit of knowledge (truths) based on observation and testable explanations and predictions. Science doesn’t require the supernatural as a “wild card” to fill-in theoretical gaps. At no point is naturalism self-refuting because it makes no claim that supernatural things occur.
Furthermore, creationist apologists claiming the supernatural as a plausible theory simply reduce the Bible to the literary equivalent of a comic book hero like Superman or a magical Harry Potter… which then reduces biblical stories to mid-eastern versions of Aesop’s Fables.
By the way…
The singularity of a black hole is a very real, observable and testable example of something AND nothing. While Steven Hawking et al work out the physics, it’s not hard to understand how something can come from nothing. A singularity creating a “Big Bang” does not require a supernatural (made-up / magical / mystical / fictional) explanation.
At no time has anyone claimed a frog can evolve into a prince. That is an intentional and frivolous misrepresentation of evolution.
I never invoked a God of the gaps approach, so perhaps you ought to read my responses more closely. Actually, I said science is chained to pure naturalism [not nature, as you misquoted]. Science chained to naturalism has no way of determining when the supernatural is called for and simply assumes that natural answers are correct a priori. It does so on faith, for it cannot determine when the supernatural is called for or not; it can only provide all-natural answers that may or may not be true and are certainly false where the supernatural is involved. Of course, since naturalism will not consider the supernatural as an answer and has no way to determine when a supernatural answer should be accepted instead of the natural one, it must needs give wrong but natural answers in cases where the supernatural should have been invoked. The only way to determine whether a supernatural answer was called for is revelation [i.e., the Bible]. Thus it becomes a matter of what your ultimate authority is in interpreting the facts: science chained to naturalism or science informed by supernatural revelation. Before you dismiss the latter approach out of hand, you should know that Bible-affirming scientists founded many of its scientific disciplines in their quest to “think God’s thoughts after Him.”
I named off at least three cases in which science makes claims that nature acted in ways we never observe nature doing [i.e. everything from nothing, life from non-life, one kind of animal changing into a different kind altogether [viz., whales-to-ungulates, etc.], thus invoking natural miracles or processes beyond what we observe in nature [i.e., the supernatural]. The insistence that all answers must be natural must needs invoke a sort of naturalism of the gaps.
Actually, saying that we can’t trust the Bible’s history but we can nonetheless glean moral lessons from it reduces the Bible to something like Aesop’s fables. The only reason you would make this claim about the Bible, comparing the miracles and supernatural acts recorded within its pages to magic or comic book powers, is if you assume that the supernatural doesn’t exist anyway… which means you think that God [a supernatural being] and the Bible [a supernatural revelation] are bunk anyway. Of course, the evidence for the resurrection of Christ and the phenomenon of fulfilled Bible prophecy validate the Bible’s claims to being an authentic supernatural revelation, so we ought to trust its authority over any other.
According to a mathematical study by Laura Mersini-Houghton et al, it may be that black holes, event horizons and singularities cannot not exist. When stars much bigger than the sun collapse under their own gravity, they are thought to collapse into singularities and form black holes, throwing off Hawking radiation in the process. Black holes are predicted by Einstein’s theory of gravity, but they conflict with a fundamental law of quantum theory that says that no information can ever disappear from the universe. This is referred to as the loss problem. In the study, researchers attempting to resolve this contradiction found that the stars shed mass too quickly to form an event horizon (i.e., it loses gravity as it loses mass); therefore, if the results of this study are correct, event horizons, black holes and singularities aren’t mathematically possible.
In any case, Hawking invokes the multiverse to make this universe possible. Essentially, we’re just one of the inevitable outcomes of all possible universes. This ignores the fact that our observable sample size of universes is exactly one. It also ignores the Alice’s Restaurant Problem: a theory that predicts everything really predicts nothing.
While my remark was tongue-in-cheek, this is exactly what evolutionist claim happened: they believe that an amphibian evolved into a reptile, a reptile into a mammal, etc, until a primate mammal evolved into a human who eventually developed social systems that made a prince possible. So the frog became a prince over about 360 million years. In any case, what we see is that a dog is still a dog and recognizably so, be it a wolf, teacup poodle or an English bulldog. We don’t observe goo-to-you evolution; the dots are only connected in our heads and the Bible says they really shouldn’t be
Praise God,to have gone through this wonderful teachings…I ask that Imay get more from you for my growing Church.Thank you,please I ask.
Me, too! I thank God for the encouragement to keep on learning these things in defense of my faith…for glory of the Creator!
So how many days the flood prevailed on the earth?
After the rain of 40 days, the waters prevailed 5 months [150 days] but it took a long while for the waters to recede
I totally agree with your calculations
Thank you for your great knowledge.
God richly Bless You
Yours brother in Christ Jesus.
nice learning here…..thank you for this
You’re welcome. Thanks for the encouragement
It was a year and ten days. The confusion arises because folks assume that the forty days and nights of rain was also the length of the Flood itself. As I explained in this article, the Bible says otherwise.
May i know How it is possible?
How is what possible?
On bases which calander you are talking?
A 30 day calendar based on the numbers and relative dates given in the text
You guys who are defending evolution are wasting your time. These creationists believe what they believe, and no amount of logic or evidence will change their minds. Education, especially the natural sciences, is the only hope for the future of mankind.
David, I took college level science courses and it didn’t change my mind
Education still doesn’t address the fundamental problem: that modern science is wed to pure naturalism and as such all it can give us are all natural answers that may or may not be true and are certainly false where the supernatural was involved. Of course, it is by nature blind to all consideration of the supernatural so it cannot ever tell us whether the supernatural was involved or even exists. Yet you pretend as if the all natural answers are by nature infallible and incontrovertible, even though such science chained to pure naturalism can’t actually tell you whether the all natural answer is actually correct. All you can truthfully say is that your all natural answers are consistent with naturalism. This is a matter of competing paradigms.
Are you saying that there are logical evidence about the natural science that you depend on right now that’ll improve your future that creationists would not believe? What is it, you might be surprised, David!
And believers in evolution cannot tell us how we are HARMED By the belief in God and the Bible…come on people..isn’t society best when they believe in God??
Society is at its worst when they believe in God… especially when they refer to her as Allah.
With respect, the God of the Bible is not Allah. They are not interchangeable. The Bible is supernaturally authenticated by fulfilled prophecy and the Resurrection of Christ. The Koran can make no such claims.
Blaming religion for atrocities is a bit reductionist. I’m not sure which bit of awfulness you have in mind, but as a student of history I can tell you that the social aspect (religion in this case) is usually complemented by a political (someone trying to gain or hold onto power) and economic aspect as well. Maybe get past the meme inspired rhetoric and re-examine those events afresh.
Having said that, I submit that while Christians do cause harm, all of the runny-middled, burnt-edged, eggshell-ridden omelettes in the world do not invalidate the recipe for the perfect omelet. They just demonstrate why it’s so important to follow the directions given in the Cookbook. Meaning that it matters less that people don’t always follow the Bible or even twist it for their own agendas; the real point is whether the Bible is true and whether YOU follow its teachings.
I have given you plausible answers but I’m honest enough to admit that I don’t really know. I will tell you this. In light of the Bible’s supernatural authentication, I am certainly willing to give God the benefit of the doubt when I don’t understand how something might have been possible.
This is amazing but also very sad but its amazing history
Hmm, I grew up christian, and never really thought of it before, but Noah and all the inhabitants would be totally screwed being stuck on top of a mountain. How’d they get down? I guess that god would have levitated them down, but It doesn’t say that in the bible though does it?
Are you imagining some thin pointy cartoon mountain with an Ark at the top or something? The mountains of Ararat aren’t like that
The flood start 7 days after Noah’s grandfather died. So if you look up when his grandfather died there is your answer.
Krystal, calculations show Methuselah outlived his son Lamech by 5 years and died in the same year as the flood. As Methuselah was the last of the old patriarchs before Noah we can only assume God waited until all the old patriarchs had died naturally before bringing the flood. However, I have not found an account of the death of Methuselah seven days before the flood substantiated anywhere in the bible, can you please point out this passage.
The same way like Noah days, will happen again……
Thank u for ur insightful analysis. It was very helpful. God bless u
Stay in ark from entry date to dove not returning comes to 280 days ……period a baby remains in mother’s womb. This symbolism needs to be verified from bible..new testament.
that;s my birthday 27 feb
This scripture told me exactly what I was wanting to know. Wow, Our God Is An Almighty God…I love, cherish, respect, our Father God with everything inside me..I get on my knees (whenever possible ) (i have had a total knee replacement so can’t put much weight on my knees), but I do manage to get down on them when possible to Pray to our Almighty God..and thank you Jesus for saving our Souls by dieing on the cross for our sins… I love u so very much, with all my heart and soul. .Amen..
Hi Tony Bredeen.
I enjoyed your work.
May the wisdom & revelations that comes from heaven continue to flourish in your life.
God exceedingly bless you all the time!
Why is it so hard for people to believe in what God can do? Is He not allowed, or permitted to do as He wishes, or are we as humans able to change His mind or Divine will? Of course not we are like dust or smoke that briefly appears and then is gone as the Bible says. First off God could have brought the entire flood in 60 seconds if He had willed it, but He had His reasons for drawing it out over 40 days, because we see many other times when God has used 40 days in the Bible for other events such as with Moses. Our small little minds can’t even match the lowest parts of God’s mind or foolishness as the Bible also states so what makes anyone here think they can figure out the Great Deluge? As it ends up all the events that are listed in the Bible are what God wanted us to know about the account and what is missing is missing for good reason because we cannot comprehend it. Leave room then for God’s Providence to be over man-kind. Best I can recall the entire earth was covered in water, if that helps for those seeking this information and earth’s surface did not show again until the pigeon, or dove brought back a leaf proving land was showing….recall the first bird sent out did not return. Noah sent a second. So I can’t say this enough but stop trying to figure out things like animals being stuck on a mountain after the flood, or maybe your Faith does not believe that God can move this mountain from here into the sea. Stop thinking as children, but as adults with wisdom and knowledge from God.
Tony,
I have not seen or heard of this site before. Simply bumped into it, like we do. Also, my first attempt to write like this! Two things! The Lord God Almighty has certainly blessed your work and, please, continue on! Secondly, do you also have insight concerning “parables” and how they, too, can be properly used as we study His Holy Word, even the events such as those surrounding the Great Flood and the significants of those rather precise dates, of so long ago, that we now still hold in our hands? What does the Good Lord offer us, His children, to see as that Glorius Day, fast, approaches? It is easily seen, that Jesus held a special appreciation for the value, and frequent use, of parables in teaching His “chosen” ones, and that those men He taught were admonished to “…not live by bread alone, but by Every word that proceedeth out of mouth of the Lord”. Tony, it is quite obvious….the clock is ticking…the twigs are beginning to sprout and summer is near! Do you have insight, concerning things such as these, as well? God bless and keep you!
YOUR WORK IS APPRECIATED AND VERY EDUCATIONAL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH , TONY BREEDEN. I LEARNED A LOT from the exchanges and affirm my belief in the veracity of God’s word; and study His word more to defend what I believe to give God the glory!
Thank you for the encouragement. God bless you, sir.
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Very interesting, Noah & the great flood, lasting one year & 10 days until Noah, family, & animals could finally be released from the Ark onto dry land! Many other questions abound in the story of Noah & the Ark, one of which is how were all the animals fed during this time. Noah was truly a miracle worker!
Actually, the miracle worker was God. We generally suppose that Noah was merely very clever.
This mind blowing. I love bible facts.
Can one now say that the flood lasted for about 375days.
A year and ten days by the Jewish calendar is only 370 days.
The flood was covering moutains at 22 feet!? Whoah. Small mountains !
Your objection is answered elsewhere on this site: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/where-did-the-flood-waters-come-from/
Regards.
Gordon, you have not understood properly, the floodwaters did not rise to 22 feet. The waters rose 15 cubits (22-23 feet) over and above the highest mountain.
I got the answer how long Noah was on the ark.
Thank you
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