Short Answer: With the food God commanded Noah to bring onto the Ark
Bible reference: Genesis 6:21
“And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.”
God told Noah to bring all food that is eaten aboard the Ark for himself, his family and the animals. It should be noted that originally man and the animals ate plants [Genesis 1:29-30]. The fossil record reveals that many of those animals had become meat eaters before the Flood, but mankind was not permitted to eat meat until after Noah and his family left the Ark [Genesis 9: 2-3]. Creation scientists suspect that God caused meat eaters like lions and T-rexes to eat plants as they originally had when God created them, before Adam sinned and death entered the world. [See Why Didn’t All of the Lions & Tigers & T-rexes [oh my!] Eat Everyone on the Ark? for further information]. So we suspect that “all food that is eaten” were plants.
While the Bible doesn’t tell us specifically how Noah and his sons fed the animals, Creation scientists have suggested that they used a system similar to a birdfeeder. Basically, the animal’s food dish would continually fill itself. Some animals may have hibernated and would not have needed food during these long periods of sleep.
Creationists have also entertained the possibility that meat eaters could have been sustained on dried fish, packed away in barrels.
Noah's Ark: Beyond Flannelgraph 
Great articles keep up the good work aaron heavenly rewards seek first the kingdom all thing to be added unto you
How was it possible for the various tons of meat to feed the lions, tigers, panthers, wolves, foxes, etc., not having spoiled during the 40 days that the ark floated? Did Noah put everything in the “freezer” of the ark? Please do not abuse my intelligence.
Have you never heard of salt-cured meat and fish? Barrels of cured meat formed the core of the staple diet of sailors on long voyages during the Age of Sail, especially those exceeding 100 days.
Spealing of which, the Ark was on the water for longer than 40 days (see https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/how-long-did-the-flood-last/ on this very site].
Packed in vessels with brine, perhaps and/or preservative.
actually mango jr it rained for 40 days and 40 nights it was any wheres from 150 to 200 plus days before the ark was said to find land. then the water would have to give way to land. Then the new plants would have to grow all the while feed all the animals and 8 humans. Like I said just to far fetched for me,,, I could go on for days on this subject.. how long did it take to build the ark ? 120 years ? how did 8 people feed every animal in the world and clean every animal in the world., yet I have yet to see a zoo with every animal in the world in it. I understand you need to believe to find all this possible… its not that I dont believe, I just do not find this possible. even if they all ate hay and fish (humans included ) they would have to bail this hay,(with out bailers) so they would have to fill a huge portion of the ark with hay and then where did the animals live an elephant alone eats hundreds of pounds of grass a day, times that by 200 days, then frsh water needed to sustain life for all those animals
How many animals do you think they had to feed? It looks like you are objecting to what you have not first bothered to understand.
Mango Jr, what makes you certain that the animals even ate meat? We don’t know for sure if they did or not. Also, consider that the pre-great flood era was FAR more advanced that we are now! They had technology that we can still only dream about. Also, there were 14 of each species of “clean” animals (fit for sacrifice (sheep, goats, cattle)) and 4 of each type of unclean animal (all of the others). They did not have several types of dogs or cats or whatever. What we see now has either been developed by man or has adapted to their environment (Polar Bears becoming white to blend in w/the ice for one example). As others have mentioned, salt is a preservative and since that time, fishermen traveling for long periods of time did and still do store the fish in salt to preserve it.We do know that up to that time, humans did not eat meat yet. It wasn’t until after the great flood that God commanded them to eat meat.
It does not say so in the bible but I would think it far more likely that all the animals gathered on the ark were very young specimens. Full-grown adults would have taken up too much room. All of the animals brought aboard were also docile, much more likely in the case of baby animals. Additionally I had assumed that all the animals were put into hibernation for to the length of the voyage, the ark having to subsist for over a year sealed up. During all that time none of the animals would have even been able to exercise their legs, the ones that had them anyway. Noah would have taken young plants and seeds/seedlings also to provide sustainable food for his family and to re-establish plant-life on the other side. But as I say, these ideas are mine and are not substantiated in the bible.
Barrels of salted fish, etc. Freezing is not required.
The meat eating animals on Noah’s ark clearly fed on the human corpses from the flood drownings. Very plausible. Noah likely fished them out of the waters, and cut them up for his animals to feed.
That is grimdark and completely unnecessary, but thank you for your input
Very impressive! Even with just the reptiles, mammals, and birds that live today, you have 25,000 species, plus Noah had all the extinct ones like dinosaurs too. With two of each kind, that might be 60,000 animals! Even if Noah’s family slept in shifts so that someone could always be feeding them, they still managed to provide new food to 2,500 animals an hour— meaning it took less than a second and a half to feed each one. God is great
Aaron,
Your objection is based on a misunderstanding of what creationists actually believe. I am aware that there are high school and college science textbooks that popularize the species=created kinds straw man, but the fact of the matter is that the Biblical created kind is not analogous to species. In fact, we generally place the created kind [with a few exceptions] at the family taxon. It may surprise you but creationists affirm observable horizontal biological changes like speciation, adaptation, mutation and natural selection; we only reject proposed vertical [phyletic] changes because no one has ever observed one kind of organism turning into another, but we do see that dogs are still dogs, and recognizeably so, whether they are wolves, Australian shepherds or English bulldogs. This variation within created kinds is remarkable, but no vertical changes are observed.
In any case, this means that Noah needed far fewer animals than you’ve proposed, thus dismantling your objection.
Regards,
Tony, DefGen.org
so what you are saying is there was just 1 type of dog on the ark ? since the ark that one set of dog mutated into every dog , wolf, coyote and so on that we now have ? and yet we stayed the same ? There was just one cat and since then we got lions, tigers, fox ,every domesticated cat and so on ? it takes millions of years for changes that you speak of to happen.as for someones comment about dinosaurs, its been proven man was not alive in the dinosaurs age
I’m not sure whether to tell you to take a college biology class to remedy you of the notion that natural selection doesn’t operate that fast after a bottleneck event, or whether to tell you to take 15 minutes of honest Google time concerning what creationists actually believe regarding created kinds. Either way, in the future I strongly suggest that you bother to comprehend someone’s position before you vehemently object to it.
The most amazing thing is that you attempt to justify what is basically a fairy tale. Of course, if you include magic, you can make anything happen, right?
What nonsense!
Bob,
While I admire the effort you’ve put into thrashing that straw man, where did I state that Noah used magic to feed the animals? In fact, what creationists typically point out is how plausible the Ark account is if you don’t come at it with your mind already made up. Still, let me ask you a question: How do you account for all of the flood myths evident in nearly every culture that largely agree with the Biblical account if such an event never happened? Of course, even if I included supernatural intervention as part of my explanation, this would merely be consistent with my worldview. Compare this to the evolutionary worldview which must believe that nature can do supernatural things: that everything can come from nothing, that life can come from nonlife and that a frog really can become a prince if we give it enough time! Think about it. -Tony
Never mind the idea that something came from nothing. Science doesn’t have an answer for that yet, and it is not part of the discussion here. The question we are asking is how can all of the impossible factors that went into this ark have been done by one man and his family? We are talking about a flood that a wooden ship the length of 1.5 football fields which could hold up in a storm for 40 days that would make any hurricanes of today look like a light afternoon shower. By current wooden ship design and science, this has been proven to be impossible, as wood that long cannot withstand nautical pressures and phenomenon. A ship like this has actually been made to test the theory, and it failed quickly and miserably. And what about the animals? Poor animals, and poor people. They must have been bumped and jociled and beaten around until they were a bloody mess, not to mention the seasickness which would ensue. There was one window on that ark for light to pass through. I have so many questions you could not even begin to answer, but we will start with these.
Bill,
I refer your many technical questions to a more technically-minded site: http://worldwideflood.org/jsmenu/full_menu.htm
Happy hunting,
Tony
really fairy tales i don’t think so you think your smart because you have science but really your nothing without god so there! but really if you want to get scientific about this there are plenty of facts in genesis sir! 🙂
Don’t forget that atheists who believe in evolution believe in magic. No scientist knows how the very first form of life, a simple self reproduceable simple cell could ever have happened and no one has yet produced any form of life in a laboratory so they say ‘we don’t know how it happened. It just did’. So in reality they have to appeal to some kind of magic that caused it to just happen. It takes more faith to believe that scenario than it does to believe in an all powerful, all knowing creator having created all life.
The story of evolution is a fairy tale because they are made up, just so, stories by fallible humans who try to explain origins without God. Perceiving themselves to be wise, they became fools.
What if those who believe in evolution 1000 years from now are looked upon as you look upon those who believe in the story of the ark?What if everyone is wrong?Get busy living and stop worrying so much about how it was all created.Would you go to Disney Land and spend all day talking to engineers?
If there were eternal consequences to that conversation, yes. Yes, I would. Just as I would go to Disney and talk to the engineers if my job was to help maintain the park’s rides.
Yeah….how old was this Noah guy? And all the animals in the world just happened to be within walking distance to Noah’s house? As Bill Cosby once said, on the same subject, “Riiiiiiiiiight!”
Fairy tales!
I rest my case.
Bob,
Noah’s age is irrelevant to the question, although if you’re interested in a scientific theory to account for long pre-Flood lifespans, there is an excellent one involving deuterium water levels in John Ashton’s new book, Evolution Impossible
As for how “all of the animals” fit on the Ark, might I suggest you read what we actually believe BEFORE you bother to disagree with it. For example, on this very site we have an article called How Could Dinosaurs Fit on the Ark? that answers the mistaken ideas you have about the Ark account and the number of animals Noah was required to take aboard.
I also note that you are avoiding the questions I put to you, presumably because you know you have no good answer to offer.
-Tony
Hi Bob, for all you questions, there are answers and you’ll best find them on the creation.com website. But if you wish to see just how big the ark was, how animals were fed etc, how God brought all the animals and birds to the ark. The original single landmass that both secular scientists and creationists believe existed back in the beginning would have had every animal kind populating the entire land mass, so there is no reason to believe that even the smallest or slowest of animals had to travel great distances.
but how did the plants get onto the ark, 2 of every animal that is alot to feed.. lke plants dont just grow on water.?
seeds. it’s actually mentioned.
As a point of note, seed would include grain as well.
Many seeds in any case can survive in water and it must have happened because a dove sent out from the ark brought a small olive branch back. It is not likely that that Noah threw out seeds just randomly in the hope that once land was above water level that the seed would sprout. The ocean back then may only have been made up of mostly fresh water because even today the salt level in sea water is increasing
All proven methods have shown it is impossible to build a superstruture of a vessel that big without using steel. It would not support the weight it would snap like a twig. how do you explain that.
You are in error, Michael. I refer you to http://worldwideflood.com for technical specifications on methods which could have accounted for your objections. I invite you to take a moment to look over the data.
When you have God on your side anything is possible!
Praise God for your faithfulness in sharing truth Tony. “My advice to any scientist would be to make sure that his findings co-inside with God’s word…this is, if he wants to be a good scientist since science and scientific findings do not make statements true, Scripture however is always true + never needs verification….Scientific support of the scripture only means that the science is true as we know scripture already is.
Oh really? Scripture is true? Feel free to live your life according to the following and also observe some of the lies and flat out craziness:
Psalm 137:7
1 Samuel 15:3
Leviticus 20:9
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Mark 7:9
Romans 13:1-7
Exodus 31:15
Numbers 15:32
Mark 16:16
Deuteronomy 21:1 5
Matthew 23:36
Matthew 16:28
1 John 2:18
1 Cor. 14:34
1 Tim. 2:9-14
Sincerely,
A gay boy who prefers to live a happy life on my own terms 🙂
I’m sure that you are aware that simply citing verse without demonstrating what you think makes them “crazy” does not constiture a valid objection.
Ray, being gay does not preclude you from being loved by God if you want to be loved by God, It’s how you handle your own situation if you wish to be loved by God that matters. Every one of us still living also has to look at our own behaviours and do exactly the same thing if we want to live eternally, being gay is not an exclusive problem. The examples of God destroying people in the bible are examples of what will happen to you and to me after our resurrection if we do not heed all those blatant warnings in the bible. God already knows that those people are not really dead yet because He will resurrect them again later. If you can come to understand the whole bible you will come to know why He made those decisions, That is why we should be a God-fearing people, not to be frightened or scared but to respect that God is God and He holds the fate of your future after your death in His hands.
Some comments:
1) Can’t seem to find a scripture stating the animals were full sized adults – younger animals eat less, take up less room, need less water, leave smaller messes if you know what I mean.
2) Can’t seem to find a scripture stating the ark ever had a rain drop hit it – seems it only needed to float on water flowing to it from around the world.
3) Can’t seem to find a scripture stating there were WAVES to contend with – seems like the Lord needed to cause a wind to blow – rather than the wind continued to blow after the rain. If Jesus calmed the wind – holding off the wind for Noah was easy. God had a vested interest in the ark and its passengers surviving the ‘adventure’.
4) Can’t seem to find a verse stating Noah didn’t have helpers/workers when building the ark.
While I appreciate your comments, it must be said that the absence of a specific text is not proof of the absence of the event.
#1 is generally agreed upon as a good possibility.
#2 seems unlikely since if it rained enough to cover the whole earth and the Ark was built here, the rain would have hit it; hence the need for the Ark’s covering.
#3 seems improbable since [a] a tranquil flood would be inadequate to produce the geological features we see today and [b] that much water being caused by both rainfall and the fountains of the great deep breaking up would certainly create waves; however, studies on the Ark’s design have made it certain that the Ark could have withstood extremely high waves.
#4 It is possible that Noah had helpers or hired workers. It is also possible that he and his sons completed it in the enormous amount of time God gave Noah: well over 100 years!
Thanks again for your comments,
Tony
How was there enough food to last 150 days and supply millions of animals and also have a boat big enough? I’m not against anything the bible says or god says I’m trying to get a point over to my dad that will convince him.
Glad you asked.
1. Creationist estimates of the number of animal genera (including now-extinct animals) represented in the Ark at about 8,000 – not millions. The misunderstanding comes from equating a biblical “kind” with a species. The terms are not equivalent. A kind falls more or less at the family level of classification. The Bible also limits which types of animals to air-breathing land animals, fowl and creeping things. More information is available in this article: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/how-many-animals-were-on-board-the-ark/.
2. If this estimate is correct, the animals would have taken up only 1/3rd of the available space, meaning 2/3rds of the Ark were available for food storage and living space. For more on how they fed the animals, see the following: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/feeding-the-animals/.
Hope that helps. ;]
8000 doesn’t nearly cover it if it would be just two of every species of which all subspecies alive today evolved from. There’s an estimate of about 6,5 million terrestrial species on earth. This excludes extinct species like dinosaurs. So even if we say there would be two of each family class on board (of which species evolved), a figure in the hundred thousands would be a very low estimate.
8000 animals is Dr. John Woodmorappe’s estimate from his book, Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study. I suggest you refer to it for specifics; however, I will say this [again] for folks who’ve objected to Noah’s Ark without bothering to understand what creationists are actually saying [even though we say this over and over on every major creationist site]: The Bible says that Only air-breathing land animals and flying creatures were taken aboard the Ark, NOT every created kind.
It is not impossible for God to provide foods for all the animals in the ark. Remember how the Lord made a miracle feedig 500 people by just one five load of bread and two fish.Matthew 14:1522
New International Version (NIV)
15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”
16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”
17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.
18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.
Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish (John 21 (New International Version)
21 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee.[a] It happened this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus[b]), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.
4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?”
“No,” they answered.
6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.
7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[c] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.
10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.
Good luck Noah and family in explaining to the lions and tigers that the arc was designed to save all the animals from extinction and not an all you can eat buffet.
Matthew,
I refer you to the following article, also on this site:
https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/feeding-the-animals/why-didnt-all-of-the-lions-tigers-t-rexes-oh-my-eat-everyone-on-the-ark/
There are so many problems with the flood story but they are all solved with divine intervention.
Q: How did Noah gather samples of every species on the earth in one location?
A: God made them come to him
Q: How could Noah feed all those animals for well over a year? He had no refrigeration to preserve fresh food. The quantities needed just to feed 2 elephants for a year would have taken the space of a couple of houses.
A: There is no problem with feeding them. God can make them eat dirt if he wants to, or nothing at all. He could make one apple feed the entire ship indefinitely. He could stop the animals from reproducing. He could make the food not spoil. He could even warp time so that 360 days was really only one day. With divine intervention there is NO argument that cannot be overcome.
Q: How could such a massive structure built from wood and loaded to the hilt with animals and food hold up for almost a year on rolling rocking seas?
A: God made it hold together
Q: Why would the ark not float thousands of miles from it’s starting point?
A: God made it land on Ararat.
It goes on and on. The story is not based on reason or science. For all we know there really is a Santa Clause, why not?
The Bible is supernaturally authenticated by fulfilled prophecy and the Resurrection of Christ. I was not aware that Clement Clark Moore’s poem enjoyed that level of authentication.
As for reason, I guess you have no respect for your evolutionary forebears. By this is meant proponents of evolution from days gone by. Are you familiar with Thomas Huxley? They called him Darwin’s Bulldog. This man, the very one who coined the term agnostic said that, given a Deity, the creation account was perfectly reasonable. You see, supernatural intervention is perfectly rational if the supernatural exists and, well, there’s that whole fulfilled prophecy thing…
WOW, your Q&As listed are highly insulting to any intelligent human being. Lets not forget the easter bunny, leprechauns and the tooth fairy. Nonsensical and sad.
You’re comparing known local fabrications to an event reflected in Flood legends a over the world. How do you account for the phenomenon of universal Flood legends? Or were you aware this was even the case?
You said all animals were vegetarian? If you believe in an intelligent designer, it is clearly evident predators like lions were always carnivores!
Ask yourself why animals have defense mechanisms like venom for example, when there was no threat of being eaten? Why is a cheetah fast? Why do alligators have insanely powerful jaws? The examples are endless proving God created meat-eaters.
Actually, it is evident that the lion and cheetah, which speciated from a Noachian big cat kind, are adapted to living in a post-Flood Fallen world today. If we look to dogs, which all descended from a wolf, we see that created kinds were designed with a lot of potential variability. Creationists see natural selection as a preservative force working against the negative effects of the Fall. Defense mechanisms were likewise programmed in, if you will, to the original created kinds’ genetic potential.
Hope that helps,
Tony
In Genesis 6, we learn that God gave Noah the plans to build the ark. No matter if you believe it or think it is a fairy tale, that’s where the scripture is found in the Bible. I get the impression Noah was sort of downloaded the plans to build the ark by God. Now at this point you can believe it or do the Bill Cosby Riiiiight thing. But here is what tips it for me. Nikola Tesla said multiple times he just saw these plans in front of him to build things. Radio, A/C electricity and countless other schematics according to Tesla just kind of appeared in front of him and he just built what he saw. So, while both stories seem far fetched to me at first glance, Tesla was recorded multiple times in his life time in the late 1800s and early 1900s as saying I just kind of saw the plans in front of me. The reason we don’t hear about Tesla more these days is that many people of his time thought he was crazy. But, since we have radio and A/C power and all of the other things Tesla just sort of saw in front of him as second nature in today’s world, I have to think maybe God did with Noah as He did with Tesla. By the way, Tesla said he thought the plans came from a divine source.
This type of method of communication with us would also be in line with the way the God of the Bible does it. He uses some Old testament story to point to New Testament activity.
Good comments. Thank you for your input. It’s a very interesting take on the subject.
So here’s a question: Did it carry all subspecies and subspecies of subspecies? Let’s take a small example: Felidae, the family class of cats. We have Lions, Jaguars, Leopards, Tigers, Cheetahs, Pumas, Lynxes, Servals, domestic cats etc. These are just a few of the species within this family class. Now let’s have a look at the largest subspecies: Panthera Tigris, commonly known as Tiger. This family consists of the: Bengal Tiger, Sumatran Tiger, Amaru (or Siberian) Tiger, Indo-Chinese Tiger, Malayan Tiger, South Chinese Tiger, Bali Tiger, Caspian Tiger and Java Tiger. They might be able (I’m not sure) to produce fertile offspring when interbreeding, but they ALL are subspecies and most definitely NOT as closely related to each other as say a Chihuahua to a German Sheppard. So did the Ark carry all these subspecies (I haven’t even touched subspecies of the other cat species yet) or are they the result of evolution?…
Now let’s look at: Canidae, the family class of dogs…nevermind.
As for diet, you say to suspect that all food that was eaten to be plants. Cats are 100% carnivores. Not even are they not able to get their necessary nutrition from plants, they get sick and eventually die of it. Their metabolism simply isn’t able to process a vegetarian diet. So did God change their metabolism for this event and change it back afterwards, or did the Ark carry enough dry meats and fish to sustain this large group of carnivores (I’ve only touched cats mind you…)
Asian Elephants are not the same species as African Elephants by the way. The genetic differences between the two are that great that they cannot be interbred. The Ark would’ve carried at least four Elephants if evolution is out of the question. It’s quite logical to say the same principle would hold truth for Dinosaurs, because this principle holds true for animals that are alive today. That would mean a whole lot of incredibly large Sauropods alone on that boat. A Brachiosaurus measuring 23 meters had a weight of 30 tons. Then you also had Brontosaurus, Plateosaurus etc. Just for the fun of it; look up the many family classes of Sauropods that are identified. They all consisted of many subspecies, just as explained above using tigers. Then we had species like Ceratopia (of which Triceratops is the best known subspecies), Stegosauria (Stegosaurus the best known), Coelurosaurian Theropod (the genus in which Tyrannosaurus belongs) and the list goes on. You won’t believe the staggering amount of species that belonged to the overarching clade of Dinosauria. Think of the amount of all terrestrial animal species that are alive today, but as Dinosaurs alone.
Anyway, that’s a whole lot of animals to fit on a relatively small wooden boat. One that was significantly smaller than many large ocean liners today.
No, it didn’t: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/noahs-zoo/how-many-animals-were-on-board-the-ark/
I have a different far more feasible theory.. Fish… For those animals that needed meat/protein diets exclusively. I think that large abundant amounts of fish, crabs, and mollusks were made available to Noah by God. Feeding omnivores and vegetarians are one thing. Feeding strict carnivores is another. I HONESTLY think that this is a much more sensible answer.
Hi.
If I am remembering correctly, meat was not eaten before the flood? I think it was only after the flood that meat was eaten. Does not Genesis state that the herbs of the field were for food? If so, then hay (dried grass) would have been one thing that was stored. There are many things in the bible that we miss and overlook because of the viewpoints that we have in todays world and because we are blind to the truth. Please do not limit yourself to your own understanding. None of us can understand the things in the bible and the things of God unless God gives us that understanding. It is easy for us to go by our own understanding. We are wasting precious time trying to figure things out on our own. One day we will be face to face with death. It will be a terrifying moment. If nothing happens after we die – – – no worries – – – but, if there is a God . . . There will be lots to be concerned about. Because after we die there is no more chances to look up at the sky and pray to the LORD of LORDS and King of Kings. Your chances are in the here and now and only in the hear and now. Today time is on your side. Tomorrow, that might not be true.
You have much to gain and nothing to lose by seeking your Creator. Seek Him while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. JH
The reason I and most major creationist ministries state that carnivory occurred before the Flood is because most of the fossil record is supposed to be a result of the Flood; therefore, since we have evidence of animals eating one another in the fossil record, we deduce that while God did not allow man to eat meat until after the Flood, the effects of the Fall including death, struggle, carnivory, parasitism, etc were already in effect prior to the Flood.
11st of all there were no dinasaurs at the time and 2nd, all the land masses WERE NOT connected. So how could there have been koala bears or kangaroos from Australia, penguins from Anartica, or panda bears from Japan because these 2 countries are islands not even close to the area at that time. 3rd, IF the entire planet were flooded, EVERY tree and food source would not have been available after the water subsided. 4th, after the water water went down there would be NOTHING for any one or any animal to eat left! Also there would have been millions of dead corpses everywhere! So how did they manage to survive when there was NOTHING left??? Not a believer in the entire planet flooded or that every species were on the ark. The food needed for even hundreds of animals & feeding them all would in my opinion NOT be possible. Lastly, how did the SURVIVING animals get to where they are now? On another note, IF ADAM & EVE were the 1st humans, after Cain killed Abel, he went to the land of Nod where he met his wife???? So how did she get there?? Cave man have been proven to exist thousands of years before Adam & Eve. Not any mention of them in the Bible. Way too many unanswered questions than answers are still to be proven in previous history before God created man. I’M Inquisitive & seeking positive proof NO ONE HAS!!!
So you want me to answer questions regarding Noah’s Ark and Flood while assuming an all-natural evolutionary history that assumes that the Bible’s history (especially its supernatural claims) is false?
And you want me to answer as if a created kind were a species, even though EVERY creationist website and book in existence warns you that a Biblical created kind is not equivalent to the species taxon?
Where did Cain get his wife? Really? If you were truly interested in answers, you would have availed yourself of 20 minutes of honest research on any major creationist website (eg., AnswersinGenesis.org, ICR.org, Creation.com, etc), because literally every objection you just brought up has been answered so often that they’ve been compiled into various Most Common Questions Answered type books.
I think I just lost brain cells reading these comments. There is no proof of noah’s ark nor a great flood and please don’t tell me the grand canyon was formed when the waters receded. Oh yea only baby dinosaurs were allowed on the ark. I do not accept that you can not challenge one’s faith. Just because you believe in something doesn’t make your belief real. The earth is 6,000 years old because it says so in the bible? Really? Most religious people are a bunch of hypocrites. You all go to services and wave your arms like some sort of antennas and then go back to your lives and continue to hate people who are gay and transgender. God loves all right? God makes no mistakes right? Laughable and insulting.
The hypocrisy of some Christians does not invalidate the truth of the Bible any more than all of the half-cooked, burnt-edged, egg shell ridden omelets in the world negate the recipe for the perfect omelet. They merely show you why you should follow the recipe.
https://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/hypocrisy-as-apologetic/
If find it interesting that you claim there is no proof while denying the very evidence that supports our position.
Evidence? Creationists carefully find something, anything that may lend credence to their argument and neglect the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There are trees older than the time of the flood for example. The mountains of California, Nevada, and Utah have some of the oldest known long-living species of the Great Basin bristlecone pine, or Pinus longaeva. One member of this species is noted to be 5,066 years old. They would have died in a global flood. Lets talk about fossils. If all animal “kinds” left the ark and scattered throughout the world why has there never been kangaroo fossils in the middle east as they migrated to Australia? Surely some would have died along the way? There is human evidence a mere 70,000 years ago. Much older than the 6,000 year old earth. There are many flood legends because as the story is told and spreads, the story is changed over time to reflect current religious beliefs in the region. History shows that religion has caused wars, mass suffering and divisiveness throughout the world. Religion feeds “versus” in our world. Its always “us” vs “them”. Religion should be a unification force. It’s not. So please forgive me if I reject the notion that I need a book full of fairy tales to tell me what is right and wrong, to give me a moral compass. I do not. I was a christian and I believed in the bible. Then I grew up.
Tree rings and carbon dating? That’s your best shot? I get the feeling you already know our answer on those subjects. And kangaroo fossils in the Middle East? Tell you what: you explain why the Coelecanth is absent from the fossil record for millions of years but is living today. If it’s ok for the Coelecanth to be absent from the record (and be presumed extinct) for that long, I think we’re ok with missing kangaroo fossils in the Middle East.
No we are not OK with missing kangaroo fossils in the middle east. That would prove creationism right? There’s lots of proof, just not on your side it seems. Tell you what: open up a science book and read it. A biology book, physics book, astronomy book. You pick. Anyone of them will help you understand our world and universe as it is. I ask you to think for yourself and view the facts objectively. I feel like we will not agree however. You versus me. Oh that’s right. We are talking about religion. I forgot.
Wow. You missed my point by a country mile, didn’t you? My point is that fossils are actually quite rare, and you’re holding creationism to a double standard when you have a 50 million year omission of the Coelacanth in the fossil record.
I studied evolution in secular college. I understand it fine. I rejected it for all of the reasons I gave in my book, Defending Genesis. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00SHK7MD8/
I understand your point clearly, but you’re cherry picking again. God of gaps. What does it matter who I am btw? That’s an odd question really.
Generally when a fellow challenges me with a statement like “You versus me,” implying a personal challenge or debate of some kind, I find it wise to ask who my opponent is, Romeo Simone. Never read Art of War?
I’m not cherrypicking. You’re welcome to cite where I did. Nor have I ever proposed a God of the gaps. My argument for creationism is laid out in my book and on http://DefGen.org.
No, I simply gave you the same answer Jesus gave his opponents, when he challenged them with a similar question and when they would not or could not answer, He replied, Neither will I answer you.
I can reference web sites also Tony Breeden:
https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2018/01/30/creationism-isnt-about-science-its-about-theology-and-its-really-bad
Your arguments have successfully reinforced to me how ridiculous creationism truly is and not worth any more of my time.
You claim Noah was able to gather all the animals because the continents of the world was joined together at that time, however science has shown that the continents joined 200million years ago. This means that of the Noah story is true it must have happened 200 million years ago not 3000.
No, Jeff.
First, God sent the animals to Noah. Noah didn’t go out and gather them.
Second, the story of the world according states that Pangaea existed 200 million years ago and then sloooooooowly drifted apart in accordance with processes we see today. That is obviously not what we’re saying. We’re saying that the evolutionary story is wrong. We’re saying especially that the timescale is wrong. We’re also saying that the worldwide, worldchanging catastrophe of the Biblical Flood broke up the supercontinent and that what we see today is a much, muuuuuuuch slower process than what occurred at some point during the year of the Flood.
Third, your logic just sucks. You just said that we *must* believe the Noachian Flood happened on an evolutionary timescale because both presume Pangaea existed. You ignore our claims about the difference in timescale and process.
It’s like you’ve said, Man X is currently running at rate B and began at ROME, Italy, therefore he has been running for LONG hours. Meanwhile, we’ve said, We have an EYEWITNESS (God) who notes that point A is actually ROME, Ohio (and therefore much closer) and that for a short period, Man X ran at faster rate A for a certain period of time before reducing to rate B, therefore he has been running MUCH-SHORTER hours. Your conclusion is because we both claim Man X began in ROME that the current rate is B, therefore we actually believe Man X has been running for LONG hours. Inarguably, your conclusion does not follow the argument forcing me to wonder whether you actually comprehend that which you object to?
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