Short answer: The Bible doesn’t really say how long it took, but it was less than 120 years.
Bible Reference: Genesis 5:32, Genesis 6:4 and Genesis 7:6.
In Genesis 6, the Bible says that roughly 1600 years after the creation and Fall of Adam (if you count up the geneologies) that God saw that the world was filled with violence and wickedness to such that it repented Him that He’d ever made man in the first place! In Genesis 6:4, we read that God said, “My Spirit shall not always with man… yet his days shall be 120 years.” But Noah found grace in God’s sight, and it was to Noah that God gave the blueprint for the Ark.
But how long did it take to build the Ark?
Some people have made the claim that this passage means that it took Noah 120 years to build the Ark. Even given the Ark’s massive scale (roughly 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high), 120 years seems like an excessively looooooooong time to take to build the Ark. Most Bible scholars agree that God was saying that He was giving mankind 120 years in which to repent, after which would come judgment for their wickedness. This means that Noah had 120 years warning before the Flood. We can reasonably assume that God gave Noah the blueprints for the Ark at this time. This would also be when God revealed that a veritable zoo would be sent to him to preserve aboard the Ark.
More significantly, in Genesis 6:18 God makes a covenant with Noah, promising that he, his wife, his sons and their wives would be saved aboard the Ark. What makes this passage so interesting is that Genesis 5:34 notes that Noah was 500 years old when he begat his three sons, while Genesis 7:6 says that Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came. The clear implication is that God made a covenant with Noah that he and his sons would be saved from judgment 20 years before Noah’s sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth) were even born! (The Bible contains many such prophesies, so this isn’t unusual for God, who knows everything …including the future.)
The maximum it could have taken would have been 120 years, but it must have taken less to also allow time for Noah to load the food stores and seed God told him to bring aboard. Since God specifically prophesies that the wives of Noah’s three sons would be saved aboard the Ark, we know it took at least enough time for all three boys to grow up and get married! All three boys were NOT born at the same time: Genesis 10:21 tells us that Japheth was the elder of Noah’s sons, that he was born when Noah was 500; meanwhile Genesis 11:10 tells us that Shem begat Arphaxad 2 years after the Flood and that Shem was 100 years old at that time. And if you do the math, that means Shem was born 2 years after Japheth. The point being: we have to allow time for all three boys to grow up and get married, and they aren’t likely to have all fell in love and got married at the same time. These things take time!
Speaking of which, 1 Peter 3:20 says, “when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” This implies that it took some time to build the Ark, though perhaps not so long as some have supposed. In 2007, Dutchman Johan Huibers completed the construction of a 1/5th scale Ark. It took him about a year and a half. He’s currently building a full scale version! Huibers has the advantage of modern equipment and building techniques, but Noah would have had a large population to hire labor from, animals to help carry loads, etc. Even if only he and his sons worked on the Ark, it’s unlikely the project took the full 120 years.
We do know that Noah’s faithful obedience to God’s blueprint served as a witness against mankind (Hebrews 11:7). We must remember that the Bible teaches us that God “is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:7). I think we can be assured that He gave Noah 120 years of warning and gave Noah the task of building an Ark with ample room so that any who repented of their wickedness might be saved also; however while God was willing to save them, they were unwilling to repent. The open door of the Ark reminds us of the Gospel message. Jesus said, “I am the door; if any man enter by Me, he shall be saved” (John 10:9). Nevertheless, though the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah while the Ark was being prepared, the day came when God shut the door of the Ark and judgment came on all those who were not aboard. Likewise, the offer of salvation by Jesus Christ has a deadline. It is appointed unto man once to die and afterward the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).
Don’t be one of those left outside the Christ Jesus, the Ark of salvation. Repent and believe on Him.
“If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” – Romans 10:9-13
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So Noah starting building the ark before his sons were born? Even if you’re right that at the time he had his sons God gave him the command to make an ark, then it could not have been 120 because Noah was 600 when he entered the ark.
Actually, Noah received the prophecy of the Flood 120 years before it was fulfilled. Twenty years afterward (when he was 500 years old), he began having the sons the prophecy promised him. Nevertheless, we note that nothing prevented Noah from beginning work on the Ark before his sons were born. This means he had a maximum of 120 years to build the Ark before the fulfillment of the Flood prophecy. IF [and this is a big if…] Noah waited until his sons were grown to 18-20 years of age before beginning work on the Ark [and there is no indication this was so], he would still have had 75 to 80 years to complete the work.
Thank you for your comment,
revTony
Can you give me chapter and verse for your statement: “Noah received the prophecy of the Flood”… By that I mean, a verse(s) that proves it was a prophecy or that Noah was a prophet. Right, none exist. As in dealing with the details of the Ark and the Flood and staying exactly with what is written, I would challenge you not to read (or in this case expound) words into the passage that are NOT there (or anywhere). That is called Eisegesis. Possibly a slip of the fingers on the keyboard or a deliberate attempt to read prophecy into a situation that is not a prophecy. I can’t be sure.
God foretold the Flood to Noah, which technically makes it a prophetic revelation because at the time it was given, it had not yet come to pass. Genesis 6:13-2 (esp. vs. 17). Maybe next time don’t accusd someone of eisegesis before you’ve actually studied the passage in the first place.
The closest the bible went to give us a little insight into how long the Ark was in the making is found in Gen. 5:32 where the bible declares”And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.” and Gen. 7:11 ” In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” If one base his position on the above mentioned verses, then the Ark was built within a hundred years not looking into wether he had his children before or during the process of Ark building.
From all the calculations one can conclude that building the Ark may have taken Noah between 100 and 120 years. Personally,the lenght of time building the Ark is not as important as mankind accepting the opened Ark in the new testament and the everlasting convenant which is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the. son of God.
Innocent Nwaubor,
Thanks for your thoughts.
-Tony, DefGen.org
You are correct, the only thing of importance is in fact, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and his everlasting covenant, which the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave us through his atoning sacrifice, taking on the sins of the world, making it possible for each of us to return to our loving Heavenly Father, if we accept Jesus Christ as our savior and keep our covenants and the commandments.
If the historical facts of the Bible cannot be trusted, how can we trust it’s spiritual truths? (John 3:12) To say that only the Gospel is important is a false dichotomy. The historical foundation of the Bible is found in Genesis (our need for salvation), Bible prophecy (foretelling the Messiah/Savior), and the historical fact of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You cannot divorce the Bible’s historical claims from the Gospel without undermining its foundation. The Gospel is anchored to its claims about history and this includes the Floid of Noah partly because Jesus himself affirmed it as a historical fact.
Book of Jasher, chapter:
7 Speak ye, and proclaim to the sons of men, saying, Thus saith the Lord, return from your evil ways and forsake your works, and the Lord will repent of the evil that he declared to do to you, so that it shall not come to pass.
8 For thus saith the Lord, Behold I give you a period of one hundred and twenty years; if you will turn to me and forsake your evil ways, then will I also turn away from the evil which I told you, and it shall not exist, saith the Lord
will the flood happen again..?
did God protected the ark after the flood..?
In Genesis 9:11, God promises that He will never again destroy the world by water [which rules out the idea that Noah’s Flood was local rather than global; for local floods abound even today; if God made such a promise regarding a local flood, He would be a liar]. We can be assured that a world-covering flood will never happen again.
The Bible mentions nothing about the Ark after the Flood. It may have been used as building material for new settlements. It may have been left as a monument or reminder of God’s judgment and eventually been lost as mankind moved onward. While there is a slim chance that the Ark waits somewhere in the mountains of Ararat to be discovered, I find it unlikely that we will find it. But it would be extremely cool if we did!
Dumb question, what would have happened if all the residents in Noah’s time repented, would there still have been a flood, & if only a few repented would there have been enough room in the Ark?
Ben,
This isn’t a dumb question. Why Did the Flood Happen? answers the question of why the Flood happened: as a judgment on a humanity whose every imagination was always evil. But your question asks the great What If?
Your answer is found in God’s answer to Abraham when Abraham asked Him to spare Sodom. Abraham asked God, “Will you destroy the righteous with the wicked?” and then asked God if He would spare that sinful city if there could be found fifty righteous men. God said He would spare it if this were the case. Abraham then pressed Him, asking if He would spare the city if there were but forty, then thirty righteous men found within the walls of Sodom. God told Abraham He would spare that city for forty or even thirty righteous men. Then Abraham asked God if He would spare Sodom if there were but ten righteous men. God answered that He would spare Sodom even if He could only find ten righteous men, but both Abraham and God knew that there weren’t even ten righteous men to be found in Sodom. God sent two angels to warn Abraham’s nephew Lot to leave with his family before judging the city.
Short answer: God would have spared the Earth if they repented, but with only a handful of righteous people, a holy God had to judge a sinful world; however, He does not punish the righteous with the wicked and always provides them with a way of escape. Even Jesus, when he prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem [which occurred in 70 AD/CE], provided those who listened with a means to escape, warning them that when they saw a certain sign they were to flee without hgesitation.
Hope that helps
Nonsense. Escape to where?
This Bible stuff is sheer fiction and lunacy. Men’s agenda, sexist mens agenda. Just examine the named
TEN COMMANDMENTS, to check out which sins or crimes are missing. The two very worst sins missing???
Sexist drivel
Keri,
The only sexist drivel around here is yours. What you’ve given us is a logical fallacy called special pleading. It asks us to suppose that God doesn’t care about a class of people because they weren’t mentioned in one list of prohibitions which are general in nature when they were protected under the more detailed law. Nonsense.
Thanks for your reply, so the next question is will we listen this time?
On a different note, the Church I attend has about 30 souls been going for over a year now, ( the Church that is not me) we just did something that amazed us all, we have what is called as ‘national reconciliation week’ for our indigenous people, but our little church was the only one to invite the Aboriginal elders to our service, & not only that but also the Mayor of our City plus councilors of the district, we even had our national television station ABC attend to film it, we got a spot (30secs long) on the 7pm news. The elders were amazed that we did this as no other church even tried. The Pastor put forward that our God loves all kinds, & that even though the Government has apologized, in truth the people have not, we the church members even wrote in 3 book’s that the Pastor provided apologies with excerpts from the Bible, they really loved this, my daughter even made a cake for the occasion which was done in their national healing color.
That was the best service ever.
I just hope the larger churches saw this & take note. Our poor Pastor was a nervous wreck at the beginning, but with Gods help everything went smooth.
May God bless you all.
Ben.
That’s actually beautiful. Thank you for sharing this!
-Tony
While the Genesis record shows that people back then knew of vast reservoirs of water beneath the earth’s crust (“the springs of the deep”), which have since been verified by scientists, I’ve long wondered HOW Noah confirmed – having been told by God of only the rainfall – that the flood started with the bursting forth of “ALL” these deep springs. Noah having walked with God, I think he knew that God had but to speak a word to make water instantly appear out of thin air..OR that, if God used only what He had created before, would Noah have wondered whether there could be several possible ways to flood the planet? So how did Noah verify it was indeed the springs of the deep, and all of them as well? Did he assume (correctly) God would use that means, or did he look out a window on the Ark from high ground, and see a distant geyser shoot up out of a barely visible sea, and after the flood deduce the rest when his descendants explored the nearest, altered coastlines? Or did he verify by mechanical apparatus all but lost over the ages?
Short answer: The Bible does not say how Noah verified or knew that the fountains of the great deep had opened.
We may suggets that the most obvious way he might know this fact is that [a] the rain by itself was inadequate to cause the world to Flood over and [b] he saw geyser/volcanic activity.
Noah didn’t have to verify anything. He had faith in God, that’s why he was “faithful” and found grace in the eyes of God and built the ark.
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THANK YOU very much for this post.
I actually learnt very well to this and I had to look at the scripture carefully.
Though you missed quoted some verse numbers wrong.
yes Noah was 500yrs and started to have his 3 children. Shem was 98 when he entered the Ark of Covenant, he was 100 years when he had Arpachshad because you said he fathered Arpachshad 2 years after the Flood in Gen 11:10.
I don’t know when God warned Noah about the coming of the Flooding or when he began working on it.
Chapter 6 says Noah walked with God and said Noah had 3 sons, so we know that Noah was probably around 5++yrs old right now. And God spoke to Noah about the coming flood.
Noah began building while the kids were so young or adult.
Noah entered the Ark at 600yrs and Shem 98yrs.
I will not estimate and say it took Noah 100 yrs or 120yrs. Because God spoke to Noah when he was somewhere in age 5++, his children would have grown to adult and have married by then. Because bible said the 3 entered the ark with their wives. So they got married while building the Ark.
I have one observation. The ESV, NAS, OJB in 10:21 says ‘ to Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the ELDER brother of Japheth, children were born.’ I strongly believe Shem was the eldest.
BTW: other than the birth order, I really appreciated and agree with your conclusions. Thank you!
Lack of basic science knowledge is a curse today. These people here are literally murdering basic science. This is clearly disobeying one of the 10 commandments; thou shall not bear false witness. Believe what you want, but don’t be dishonest. How sad!
Abdul,
You really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. For example, consider the following post on one of my other sites: http://kcsg.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/why-evolution-is-not-foundational-to-science/
Tony,
You know nothing about science. The site you gave is a first class joke. If only you could listen to Dr. Francis Collins or Dr. Hugh Ross, you would think differently. Just DNA evidence alone is enough to prove the theory of evolution. Please read about chromosome 2 fusions, its sequence near the central telomeres; why humans and chimps have the same 5th gene mutated in an identical fashion so that both can’t make vitamin C…..also several fish and birds have the same 5th vitamin C gene mutated in a similar fashion; multiple ERV located at the same location in many chromosomes etc. etc etc. You are either uneducated or completely sold out to dishonesty propagated by creationists. Your dishonesty will NOT go unnoticed by GOD.
Abdul,
I’ve read books by both Ross and Collins and I remain unconvinced that [a] millions of years of of microbes-to-man evolution may be genuinely reconciled with the Biblical account of history and that [b] microbes-to-man evolution has even occurred. I am familiar with the so-called evidence from the “fused chromosome”; I am also aware that you can only say it’s fused if you presume evolution is true from the beginning, which means you can only say that IF evolution is true then these chromosomes we see here in chimps later fused when humans came to be BUT you cannot say this proves evolution because it begs the question from the beginning.
I also note that creatures that share homologous features will have more similar encoding, but so what? Does this prove evolution or simply that they had a common designer? This again begs the question of whether evolution is true.
That site I gave was mine and I hope you’ll read it this time instead of just engaging in mockery, sir.
One final question: Do you really think God approves of your holding to an all-natural theory which seeks to replace the supernatural creation account given in His Word and do away with the need of God as a necessary explanation for our origins simply because you say God-did-it?
Think about it,
Tony
There is not enough water on earth or in the atmosphere to submerge the highest mountains on earth underwater. Besides it would kill everything, plants need air, saltwater fish needs saltwater and freshwater fish need fresh water.
I would like to know, where did all the water receded to?
Re: Where did the water go?
I’ve received this question often enough for it to deserve its own answer page, so look for that soon. Stay tuned. ;]
Update: The following post answers your question about where the flood waters went: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/where-did-the-flood-waters-go/
Re: Freshwater fish
The answer page for that question is here: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/how-did-freshwater-fish-survive-the-flood/
This post of your reveals that you are either poorly educated in science or your agenda is to defend your faith at any cost (meaning being massively dishonest). People like Francis Collins and High Ross think your types are an embarrassment to Christianity. Obviously, your types (Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort) think Collins and Ross are heretics. I wonder what Jesus thinks about your types, which resort to massive DISHONESTY to worship him so that heaven is guranteed. Is that what a great God wants from his children……to lie?
I’m not lying, Abdulaziz. Unless, of course, you’re saying the Bible lies about the creation of the world, the fall and the Flood. Are you?
{My argument about earth being 6,000 years old is logically consistent and I believe every word in the Bible to be the word of God}
How can any sane person talk like this, Rev Tim? Again, you won’t let me rebut. If you know that powerful truth, why are you scared to answer questions?
1 Peter 3:15 – Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
People call you crazy and other names because you show many symptoms that are just not sane at all. You don’t know what logic and reasoning mean. You don’t know much about science and you don’t know how contradictory your Bible is. No wonder many use harsh words like delusion, and madness.
Love is Everywhere:
Mathew 5:44 – But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mark 12:31 – The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Collossians 3:20 – Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
10 Commandments: Honor thy father and mother.
Leviticus 19:18 – “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Hatred, Immorality, unjust, Cruelty and Death Everywhere:
Luke 14:26 – “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple.
Exodus 21:17 – “Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.
Mathew 10: 34 – “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Mathew 10: 35 -For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
Proverbs 30:17 – The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.
Deutoronomy 2:18-21“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
I note that you insulted me without providing the slightest shred of proof of your claims.
Rev Tony,
The GULO pseudogene has become one of the favorite arguments of Darwinian evolutionists against intelligent design. In their book The Language of Science and Faith, Francis Collins and Karl Giberson call this pseudogene “broken” DNA (p. 49). Because, in their view, it is “not remotely plausible” that “God inserted a piece of broken DNA into our genomes” (p. 49), the existence of pseudogenes has supposedly “established conclusively that the data fits a model of evolution from a common ancestor” (p. 43). Over at BioLogos, Dennis Venema has written article after article in the past few years, making pseudogenes his primary argument for evolution–one which he even suggests may be a “silver bullet” argument for evolution. – See more at: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/08/a_simple_propos075721.html#sthash.85WYZXM6.dpuf
BioLogos is a group of religious scientists who are bent on disbelieving the Bible where it concerns our origins while arbitrarily stating that God exists and that the Bible is His Word. Oddly, affirming evolution undermines the authority of Scripture and places the “evolutionary creationist” as the ultimate authority over both the Bible and the all-natural claims of science. More here on my other site: http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/underminers-the-self-defeating-proposition-of-compromising-scripture-with-millions-of-years-of-evolution/
As for the GULO pseudogene, here is the creationist response from the peer-reviewed Answers Research Journal: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v7/n1/human-gulo-pseudogene
Don’t forget that there was still the normal day to day things that needed to be done. Planting and harvesting, maintaining a home, homeschooling, the list goes on and on. The Ark was probably not a everyday project. There were other thing to be maintained. So it very well could have taken 120 years to build, water proof, grow and gather the food and the animals.
My point is that is not necessary that it took the entire allotted time to complete.
So, you believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, despite massive scientific evidence for the age to be 4.5 billion years. So, you must conclude that scientists (most of them practicing Christians) are wrong and or deliberately lying. What a pity that the people who are expected to be truthful at any cost are the ones who resort to MASSIVE DISHONESTY to reinforce their beliefs.
10 Commandments: Thou shall not bear false witness.
James 3:8, “But no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.” The tongue can be the most wicked weapon on earth, so use it wisely and speak your words with caution. As Christians, we shouldn’t fill our lives with deceit. We should always strive to leave honest, open lives that are full of trust and love.
So you would rather tell folks that the Bible bears false witness about the origin and chronology of the world instead, Abdulaziz? How does that not undermine Christianity again?
Listen, credulous brother, science chained to pure naturalism can only come up with all-natural answers which may or may not be true – and are most certainly false where supernatural agency was involved. Since science cannot consider the supernatural a priori, it will never detect when it is wrong. God has given us a true and authoritative Word or He hasn’t by which to calibrate the all-natural claims of science or He hasn’t. Odd that Christians can affirm what scientists deny when it comes to the Resurrection, the eternality of the soul, the existence of God, etc, but not where it contradicts the Bible’s record of our origins.
Stop being so double-minded!
And you might want to read this as well: http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/underminers-the-self-defeating-proposition-of-compromising-scripture-with-millions-of-years-of-evolution/
How odd that your response does not allow me to rebut. Basically you will deny everything because it would contradict what the Bible says. That is sad because you are being VERY DISHONEST about your entire life. It is you who is chained to the literal translation of the Bible and you don’t even know it…….may be you do, but then again….whatever.
This site is moderated because some trolls are foul and abusive. For example, some use profanity and others just call me a liar over and over as if that’s an actual argument.
I once believed evolution but then realized that pure naturalism, upon which the framework is based, is self-contradictory. Basically, those who affirm pure naturalism must also contradict itself by affirming that nature can do supernatural things: that everything can come from nothing, that life comes from non-life and that a frog can really become a prince if we just give it enough time and chance. Theistic evolution is any better, since there is no Biblical support for it; essentially the theistic evolutionist puts himself as the authority over both science and the Bible, deciding which is actually right on a case-by-case basis. For example, he affirms the Bible when it speaks of the existence of God, the Resurrection, the existence of the soul, etc, but denies it when it speaks of our origins, the Fall and the Flood. The naturalist is contradictory and the compromising theistic evolutionist is arbitrary. At least, my worldview is logically consistent.
Think about it.
No really. THINK.
Logically think? Really? Resurrection? Really?
Luke 24:40 – Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…39″See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”…
You’re going to have to be more clear in your objections. Sputtering and then quoting Scripture without connecting the dots does not a good argument make.
i have loved the study of noah
where did they put the dinosaurs
The answer to your question is elsewhere on this site: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/dinosaurs/how-could-dinosaurs-fit-on-the-ark/
You deliberately cut people off when you cannot answer, you deliberately quote false papers as peer-reviewed, you distort facts and you lie constantly. This is not meant to insult you because they are all facts. If you are afraid of facts, you will see insults everywhere.
You just called me a deceptive liar; why would I assume this meant to insult me?
You’ve dismissed the information I’ve linked because you don’t like its source [genetic fallacy], deliberately misunderstood that my site is moderated [you weren’t cut off, but neither do I owe you a soapbox, sir], and accuse me of lying WITHOUT supporting your ad hominem attacks. You also seem to think that facts are self-interpretive, rather than being things that are interpreted according to our presuppositions and by whatever we hold as our ultimate authority: the ever-changing word of fallible men or the unchanging Word of God.
Thinking is not something you can do; you only know how to read an old book again and again, without understanding what it really means. You are an insult to human intelligence. You are afraid of truth and you are a very DISHONEST person.
So “thinking” is interpreting the Bible in light of the modern consensus of science [even if this the previous consensus is often today’s pseudoscientific nonsense AND even if they have chained their every interpretation to pure naturalism which denies God ANY role in the universe, including creative acts, miracles, Virgin births, and resurrections from the dead] instead of trying to understand it in its original context? Because that’s what I’m getting from your ad hominem statement…
“Loving and merciful God changed the topography of earth to flood earth and kill all women, children, toddlers, pregnant women, old people, dying sick people, pups, animals, pregnant animals etc.”
You are not only uneducated but dangerous and deluded. You reply to comments using nonsense statements and then you do not give a chance for them rebut your silly statements. Living is easy with eyes closed. If God exists, he knows you are extremely dishonest (for deliberately ignoring evidence) and he won’t like it a bit, dude.
Once again, sir, comments on this site are moderated because some trolls can be quite vile and abusive. Your assumption that you cannot reply to comments here was presumptuous. I also used to affirm evolution and millions of years so accusing me of living with my eyes shut or ignoring evidence is likewise presumptuous on your part. My testimony and my arguments indicate otherwise.
As for your other comment, you have cart before the horse. This quote is nothing I’ve said or even implied; it is simply a reflection of your willful ignorance on this subject. A loving, merciful and JUST God sent a judgment that changed the topography of the earth. If you truly believe that God killed a multitude of innocents then you are not actually reading the Bible. The Bible records in Genesis chapter 6 that:
“GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.” Genesis 6:5-7
We can be assured that the same God who would’ve spared Sodom for the sake of a few righteous men and who delayed Nineveh’s judgment for responding to Jonah’s preaching would also have spared the entire earth if it were reasonable. The wickedness of man was such that God spared only eight souls. For more on this subject, see the following post on this site: https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/before-the-flood/why-did-the-flood-happen/
-Tony Breeden
I live the work you are doing to teach these word
if this movie was false with a lot of info I still believe it had a message of what it might have been once. and the best thing I saw was forgiveness, faith and the choice to believe in god.
I will try to address the Noah movie in a later “After the Flood” article. Thanks for your comments
-Tony
So what is basically being said here is that the 450 ft by 75 ft by 45 ft ark was built in around 80 or so years by a 520 or so year old man and it was finished when he was 600 years old and he had as help about 3 sons and possibly a couple of son in laws. Hmmmm, that would seem to be more magical than something that literally happened. Could it just simply be an allegorically written story about what was actually a localized flood in the Mesopotamian region of the world to put across a view point concerning life and spirituality? What about the Gilgamesh flood story a 1000 years prior and then there were at least two much older ones by 500 and 1000 years before the Gilgamesh story. All very similar in many ways to the much later Biblical flood story. Sounds like total plagiarism to me.
The Gilgamesh Epic is actually less realistic than the Biblical account. For example, the Biblical Ark follows the dimensions of a modern cargo vessel while the Gilgamesh Ark is a cube. At the first set of waves, everyone would be tossed around like rag dolls until they died. Also the order of birds released ignores their biological constraints in the Gilgamesh Epic. The bottom line is that unrealistic legendary elements tend to creep in later, so it makes more logical sense that the while the Gilgamesh Epic was written down first, the oral tradition related in the Bible predates it.
As for why it wasn’t a local flood, the Bible says that the Earth was covered. Besides why would God even command that an Ark be built for a local Flood? Why not migrate the animals to safety? Why include birds at all? Why not tell Noah to move sometime in the next few decades? More importantly, if it was a local flood, why are there Flood legends the world over?
its all a scam
Or it’s not.
may i ask, did the bible say or state were did the ark was built ?
No. It only states that it eventualky came to rest in the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4), which points to a general region not a specific mountain (i.e., it does not refer to Mt. Ararat specifically).
Tony thank you for the great info. What do we tell people that don’t believe in the book of jasher n Enoch. I know for a fact the bible refers it, n the book of Enoch was found with the Dead Sea Scriptures. But they still don’t believe me
The problem is that we don’t know for certain that the incarnations of Jasher and Enoch that we have today are completely identical with those referenced in the Bible, so I do understand their skepticism. If the Bible mentions them, they really existed
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hi Tony,
been looking up on Noah and the ark lately …a lot of questions crossed my mind ..can i hear your opinion on these –
how did they repopulate after the flood since everyone else was dead ? (please don’t say incest that would really be sad)
what about the kids and retarded folks who died from the flood – that weren’t deliberately partaking in sin ? did they automatically go to heaven ?
how about the animals that only live in places like Africa or China …..did they make their way over to Noah?
finally ….don’t you think this was a symbolic story (not a literal one) to teach the people of old good moral and not to disobey GOD ?
hope to hear from you soon
your fellow Christ follower
stan
Stan,
1. Creationists affirm that since Adam and Eve were created in a “very good” or perfect genetic state, but then began dying at the fall, that genetic copy errors would have been minimal until after the Noachian bottleneck event. Note that the Bible declares long lifespans for most pre-Flood patriarchs, whereas lifespans afterwards were significantly reduced. The dispersion of people groups at Babel increased the number of copy errors due to a more selective intermingling of the gene pool. By the time of Moses, copy errors had become numerous enough that God finally forbade the intermarriage of close relatives. In other words, inbreeding [which assumes genetic problems] was not really possible until the Levitical law was passed.
2. Persons with intellectual and developmental disabilities were probably not around until after tyhe Flood for the above stated genetic reasons. Please stop using the R-word; no one professional uses that term anymore due to its negative connotations. As for children… I hate to say this but your assumption that children were innocent when the Bible says that the thought of man was continually evil all the time and that the earth was filled with violence seems a bit unrealistic.
3. The animals that live in places like Africa and China NOW traveled to those locations from the Ark. We have no indication that they originated in those places; in fact, pre-Flood biomes and climates were likely very different from the ravaged post-Flood world, so it seems more likely that the specialized animals of Chine, Africa or Australia speciated from original created kinds that were not more genetically robust.
4. Nothing in those chapters suggests anything other than an historical account. The doctrine of the perspcuity of Scripture suggests that it was meant to be read and plainly understood… not understood only in light of the claims of men committed to pure naturalism.
Hope that helps,
Tony Breeden, DefGen.org
It does not matter how long it took or how they repopulated or any other question because it is only a Myth story anyway….The Noah flood version of the many flood stories of ancient times supposedly took place about 100 prior to the completion of the Egyptian Pyramids which took thousands of Egyptians several decades to construct.
If a world wide flood happened just 100 years or so prior to the completion of the Pyramids it means thousands were working on them just a few decades after the flood happened which tells you right there that bible story was made up. The other thing which shows it was made up is the fact that a story 1500 years prior was written in the Epic of Gilgamesh but it was a lesser SIZED version of the bible story but most of the main events were the same….this shows the Bible version was absolutely Plagiarized from the much older story.
Egyptian chronology has been inflated with unrealistic lifespans for their god-kings; an adjusted Egyptian chronology (see this link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/bookwyrmslair.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/unwrapping-the-pharaohs-how-egyptian-archaeology-confirms-the-biblical-timeline-by-john-ashton-david-downs-master-books-2006/amp/), gives us dates that vindicate Bible history
2. The Gilgamesh Epic gives us an unrealistic cube shaped Ark. The Bible gives an Ark of realistic dimensions. The Gilgamesh Epic relates birds being released in an order that makes no biological sense while the Bible does. More legendary unrealistic elements creep into tales later. The conclusion is obvious: the Gilgamesh Epic was written down first but finds its origins in the earlier faithfully rendered oral history of the Biblical narrative.
The Bible flood myth never happened as written literally……it was a plagiarized story of a much older flood story from the Epic of Gilgamesh around 1500 years prior to the Noah’s ark story. It is simply a mythical and allegorically written story as so many other biblical stories are.
The Epic of Gilgamesh with its unrealistic cube shaped Ark was written down first, but the Bible narrative with its realistic and seaworthy Ark evidently predates Gilgamesh; later legends tend to get less realistic than the source, not the other way around.
i apologize for using the R- Word …..really wrong of me …and i truly apologize.
Saying that GOD allowed inbreeding for a while ..but they are no indications of it in the bible where it said someone married their sister or vise versa ? worries me….. can u give me an example of who married their sister?
please who did Cain marry …he didn’t have a sister?
Saying that kids under 3 years where not innocent bothers me …cus even Jesus said the kingdom of GOD belongs to them …and we should be like them
u mentioned “babel” ..that’s another story that puzzles me – how could they be building a tower to heaven ? …heaven is not a physical place …and then it says GOD destroys it …(the tower wasn’t gonna ever get to HIM anyway ..it will only get to space if they continued) .
Stan,
1. Gensis 20:11-12 tells us that Abraham married his half-sister. This too was prior to the Mosaic Law’s prohibition against marriage between close relatives.
2. Jesus never gave an age limit, so I’m not sure where you came up with that. Genesis 6:5 states that man’s wickedness warranted our destruction. It does not name any exceptions.
3. Genesis 11 says that they intended to build a tower that would reach to the heavens. In this case, heavens is being used in a hyperbolic sense to mean a tower of great height [as in Deut 1:28 and Deut 9:1.
It does NOT say that God destroyed the Tower. It says that God confounded the people’s language and they left off the construction
Cain was banished and he ended up in a town married a woman and then he became the leader of the town…..walla. Where his wife came from or how the town popped out of nowhere should not be questioned. When the time comes Christ Jesus will tell us all. The tower of babel was built to reach the heaven and trees grew so tall that they touched heaven. since this is mentioned in the Bible, they are true and they cannot be false.
AZ,
The Bible actually says that:
“Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch” [Genesis 4:16-17]
So Cain was banished, he married his wife and he built a town. [He certainly ended up there, but the town did not exist before he built it, presumably for his children and their children.] The town did NOT pop out of nowhere any more than his wife did. Logically, Cain married his sister.
The word heaven in the Babel passage in used as hyperbole. It only means that they intended to build the tower very high not that it literally reached heaven. Where are you getting this silliness about giant trees? I ask because you’re certainly not getting it from the Bible.
Age 3 was just an example …HE said children….
… am just stepping out of the box and reasoning from the outside (thanks to GOD for logic and reasoning) – not speaking from a point of authority.
thank you for your input
The unfortunate truth, stan, is that children often pay for their children’s mistakes. No one who sins does so in a vacuum. [It’s one of many reasons why sin is bad]. The trouble here is that I have no Biblical warrant for making an excuse for the children in this case. Other apologists have suggested that, given man’s recorded longevity before the Flood, that childbirth may’ve been more rare; which could mean that it was possible that no one below the age of three even existed at the time of the Flood. All I know is what the Bible says. And it says that only Noah and 7 other people survived that Flood because the Earth was filled with violence and wickedness and the every thought of man was wicked. Children can certainly be taught to kill, murder, lie and steal from a very young age.
Cain knew his wife? What? Who is she? How did he know her? Remember only he was banned, not some unknown woman at that time. There were only two children at that time; no others are mentioned at that point. If you go by the Bible, then go by the Bible.
Daniel 4.11: The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.
Sky is an illusion and we all know it. But apparently God did not.
Whatever that suits you is exactly what it means in the Bible and when something is bothersome, it suddenly becomes a metaphor or a hyperbole, or worse: that was only meant for old Israelites. WoW! Talk about God-given gift of logic and reasoning and also HONESTY. Mental gymnastics at its best.
The Biblical “knew” basically means they had sex, not that he didn’t know her from before. Compare this usage with Genesis 4:1. Also Genesis 5:4 says that Adam had other unnamed sons and daughters. The passage deals with the oldest two sons. It doesn’t say they were they were Adam’s only children. In fact, it’s likely that the daughters he had at the time were not named in the Bible simply because it was rare to name women in antiquity.
Daniel 4:10 says that he was having a vision, so you may as well have cited a dream for your claim of giant trees [but way to quote mine, dude]
The Bible does use normative language including hyperbole. I’m sorry that your attempt to make it woodenly literal is meeting opposition from folks who’ve bothered to comprehend it.
Hey! There’s an idea: why don’t YOU try to comprehend BEFORE you object to something next time.
Comprehend? Really? That does not mean that one dances around and makes up things wili nily. Unfortunately, that is perfect logic for you. You did not answer any question properly at all. Did someone banish Cain’s wife (knew???chuckle) along with Cain? Where is that mentioned?
Cain’s wife is an inference, as you well know. In all likelihood, she chose to join him in exile of her own accord. I answered the question properly; it’s just more reasonable than a scoffer like you would prefer.
And here is the meaning of comprehend, in case you’re still a bit fuzzy on that one: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/comprehend
So, a sister joins a banished man……how convenient. Mom and Dad are like….ok girl…you go take care of your brother although God punished him. And God is like, “Ok, my dear, please go marry him and multiply quickly to become leaders of a town that never existed before.” Great logic. Talking snakes, talking pigs, cursing a fig tree in the off season, humans turning to salt pillars, she bears (God) mauling several teenage kids because of a simple mocking exercize, a loving and merciful God drowning every freaking life on earth as if every damn soul committed a crime (but a drunkard fool is perfect) etc etc. What a joke. Since you dont understand anything about logic, try this https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
AZ,
You are accusing me of logical fallacies without bothering to specify what they are. As far as I can tell, it is the supernatural elements of a supernatural revelation that mostly bother. Yet even Darwin’s Bulldog admitted that such supernatural accounts as the creation account in Genesis were perfectly rational given the existence of a Deity.
You also seem to have a moral objection to God’s recorded actions but you have yet to provide us with a non-arbitrary, consistent basis for your morality. Care to do that?
PS – I happen to love yourlogicalfallacyis.com; I often refer evolutionists to that site WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of the fallacies I’m accusing them of. Because that’s how logoical discourse works
O don’t see how you can be a logical person based in reality and fact when you believe in fiction of the Bible. All religious texts are fictions of mens agenda alone, sexist drivel and propaganda based on superstition, fear, lack of knowing why we are here etc so having to make up stuff. But ignorant stuff compared to current knowledge. And I suggest you examine the named TEN COMMANDMENTS for the missing sins and crimes!!!! The ones relating to women and children!!! Etc etc
With all due respect to your feminist rant, the Ten Commandments are laws that apply to universal mankind. If this were not so, the fifth one would only tell us to honor our fathers. So take that modern-day fiction somewhere else.
As for the Bible being fiction, you’d better hope you’re right, because
Everything written in the Bible and Koran only makes sense to people who live in fantasy land, pretending that reality is not a fact. That there was never an entity that suddenly suspended reality at will. this supposed all powerful God could just have wiped the slate clean and created a new lot of people and animals. Why bother with a flood when only a few humans with a conscience, were affected anyhow? This humph, MALE God?, could have just killed all the animals except two of each anyhow, without a stupid flood. And it doesn’t say it rose 22 cubits above the highest mountain in the world anyhow. As that is Mt Everest in India!!! And those ten commandments that religious people pretend lost a few of the important stones about rape and child sex abuse etc. Yet they are called the ten commandments. What about stealing and theft being one of the ten commandments, but Not
THOU SHALT NOT SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
THOU SHALT NOT RAPE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
THOU SHALT NOT INITIATE VIOLENCE
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOURS HUSBAND.
SEXIST PROPAGANDA OF MENS AGENDA IS ALL THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS ARE. Fictions!!
Inbreeding has led to much insanity of human kind, so that this brainwashed stuff that has no basis in the laws of nature or how things operate.
There are more commandments listed in the Bible than the Big Ten. Maybe read it and ditch the rabid feminism. What matriarchal society has given us a better code to live by?
As for the Bible vs the Koran, there is no comparison; the Bible is supernaturally authenticated by fulfilled prophecy and the Resurrection of Christ, while the Koran is not authenticated by anything but Islam’s say so.
Oooh i don’t even know about the Koran thanks
I love the way this is written. Bible references to check and compare for accuracy. Thank you for your hard work and clear way of explanation.
Your welcome, and thank you for the encouragement!
Wow im impressed i thought it was 2 years but well done people
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Babel was on Pangaea according to a new book.
The context of Genesis 10 makes it evident that Genesis 10:25 refers to the division of the nations at Babel after the confusion of the languages (compare verses 5, 18, 20 and especially 32). Only the Flood could have provided the mechanism for a relatively fast breakup of Pangaea to the present positions the continents are found in.
Your link has been removed. With all due respect, Mr. Brule, please peddle your book somewhere else.
How long after the ark was completed passed until they boarded
The Bible doesn’t say. At minimum, they wouldn’t have boarded until the pitch dried and supplies and foodstuffs were loaded.
ACTS 22: 16 What are you WATING FOR??? ARISE AND BE BAPTIZED, AND WASH AWAY YOUR SINS, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!
1 PETER 3: 18-22. Mark